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To: cloudmountain
I hope excommunicated and defrocked Father Martin Luther is happy with the fruits of his labor. He even has a denomination named after him.

Martin Luther wanted to bring the Christian church back to its original doctrine as found in the Scriptures, doctrine that had become twisted over the previous 1000 years. He never wanted a schism, and he never wanted to start his own church. FWIW, the same was true of John Wesley 250 years later: in both cases, the men called on the church to return to its original doctrine, and the result was that those who returned were forced out by those who didn't. I greatly wish it were not so, but it is so.

129 posted on 11/06/2014 7:29:08 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: chajin
Martin Luther wanted to bring the Christian church back to its original doctrine as found in the Scriptures, doctrine that had become twisted over the previous 1000 years. He never wanted a schism, and he never wanted to start his own church. FWIW, the same was true of John Wesley 250 years later: in both cases, the men called on the church to return to its original doctrine, and the result was that those who returned were forced out by those who didn't. I greatly wish it were not so, but it is so.

True enough.
The Church did make changes but they were too slow for many people. The Church never did anything fast. The pressure on the Church to make SOME changes is enormous but...that won't stop the Church from holding on to truth.

SOME things will never change.

Dogma won't change.
Unmarried priesthood won't change.
Divorce-remarry won't change.
Reasons for annulment won't change.
One man-one woman marriage won't change.
Artificial birth control won't change.
Abortion, for any reason, won't change.
SIN won't become NO SIN, that is, ABSOLUTES will remain ABSOLUTES.

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For those reasons many people reject the Church. It's their choice to do so. I sure don't judge them. THAT is God's job.

187 posted on 11/07/2014 7:33:08 AM PST by cloudmountain
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