Posted on 11/06/2014 2:29:33 PM PST by NYer
Where would we be, without spectators paying the bills?
HAve you an example?
I think the spellcheck put in the wrong word for indoctrinated.
Then, by all means, copy and paste from them.
If it is SO important that the PROTESTANT message be suppressed; then please; take some time to do so.
Merely complaining isn't helping.
1 Corinthians 2:16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
Now elsie, you left something out of the excerpt from #311 didn’t you? The part that showed I didn’t change my position at all would have been relevant to include, don’t you think?
You used to say I was mormon.
Lol
sorry, but I have a life to live and better things to do than try to quiet those true believers who hate Catholic (and Orthodox) Christians.
This is projecting hatred on “the other”, not about finding the truth.
“and the lion shall lie down with the lamb...”
The lamb of God saved the prostitute...the Lion of the Tribe of Judah took a scourge made of cords and drove the money changers out of the temple... fierceness and mildness, Lion and lamb!
Posting opinions about other posters as if they are facts is considered “mind reading” and is a form of making it personal. This moves the thread away from discussing the issues to making it about another poster.
Discuss the issues, do not make it personal.
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To: daniel1212
Nah. Catholics are generally some pretty decent folks, same as any other raised in the Judeo-Christian traditions. You’re as bad as the author of the article when you say you know who is going to hell and why - I’d be remiss if I didn’t point that out. If RC’s endorse the same, they are equally foolish. Nobody knows the fate of their soul upon their death. Anyone who tells you they know the fate of their own soul, much less the fate of anyone elses soul does so for their own earthly motive. That will go in the pile for judgement, along with everything else they’ve done in life. God help us all. 311 posted on 11/8/2014 1:03:34 AM by RFEngineer |
The jury MIGHT think this; but since YOU didn't include it in your second response; a reasonable person might conclude that your position HAD changed.
Don't you think?
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To: caww
” Show us why you believe we cannot be secure in Christ Jesus nor can we know it.” My position is that Neither Catholics, nor Protestants can know what God’s judgement will be for the other. You are insufferably argumentative over that, which is pretty funny. |
I probably had a reason.
(No; I can't recall it now!)
Where did I lay my glasses THIS time?
This is projecting hatred on “the other”, not about finding the truth.
Interesting two sentences...
Honey; It ain't about ME and the REST of us HATERS; but the LURKERS who will ONLY have OUR side of the story.
Don't you care about THEM??
No.
What a reasonable person might conclude is that you were selectively quoting something to make a point. That’s fine, if that’s how you like to operate.
I RE-posted YOUR entire replies.
I'll let the reasonable people make up their own minds.
“What hubris! I grew up in the reformed church and have studied both their views and compared them to scripture for now 40 years.”
I am sorry if 40 years in the reformed church has led you to think that it is hubris that reformers taught these things about prophecy. What historicist prophecy teachers have you read? Guiness, Newton, Elliot, Dawe, Jaynes, Caringola, Rand, Campbell, Neser, others? Perhaps freepers might like some sources.
To quote “What Believers Don’t Have To Believe: The Non-Essentials of the Christian Faith” by Craig Payne. “Although the Historicist view is the least popular today, notable Christians who have held it in one form or another include Luther, John Wycliffe, John Knox, Ulrich Zwingli, John Calvin, Isaac Newton, Johnathan Edwards, Charles Finney, Matthew Henry, Adam Clarke, and Charles Spurgeon.”
Sounds like a who’s who in reformed theology. You may imply I am a liar, and state that I have “total lack of understanding prophesy”, but I will happily stand by the side of those giants and agree with historicist interpretation. :-)
Here is a partial list of those predicting the French Revolution based on historicist prophecy. from http://historicist.info/articles2/froom.htm
1.Brightman(1644)
2.Durham(1660)
3.Mede(1663)
4.More(1680)
5.Goodwin(1683)
6.Jurieu(1687)
7.Cradock(1696)
8.Fleming(1701)
9.Whiston(1706)
10.Waple(1715)
11.Vitringa(1719)
12.Daubuz(1720)
13.Robertson(1730)
14.Pyle(1735)
15.Lowman(1745)
16.Bishop Newton(1748)
17.Johnson(1794).*2
Here is a partial list of those teaching the year-day principle of historicist prophecy
Tichonius (AD 380)
Augustine (AD 430)
Nahawendi (Jewish) (AD 8-9th century)
Jehoram (AD 10th century)
Abraham bar Hiyya (Jewish) (AD 1136)
Arnold of Villanova AD (1292)
Joachim of Floris (AD 1202)
John Wycliffe (AD c.1379)
Nicholas of Cusa (AD c.1452)
Martin Luther (AD 1522)
Phillip Melanchthon (AD 1543)
Johan Funck (AD 1558)
James I of England (AD 1600)
more historicist sources from http://www.testimony-magazine.org/back/jun2010/burke.pdf:
The Turkish empire withered and dried up as a necessary antecedent to the return of the Jews to their land, as predicted accurately by Brightman (1605), Goodwin (1639), Owen (1639), Mede (1640), Durham (1658), Increase Mather (1669), Sherwin (1670), Poole (1685), Torrey (1695), Fleming (1701), Cotton Mather (1702), Burkitt (1703), Gill (1748), Thomas Newton (1754), Faber (1806), Keith (1831), Brother Thomas (1849), Barnes (1851), Elliott (1862), Guinness (1888) and others.
The return of the Jews to their land with the assistance and protection of Britain and her allies, as predicted accurately by Brightman (1605), Goodwin (1639), Owen (1639), Mede (1640), Johanna Cartenwright and Ebenezer Cartwright (1649), Durham (1658), Burkitt (1703), Gill (1748), Thomas Newton (1754), Faber (1806), Keith (1831), Brother Thomas (1849), Barnes (1851), Elliott (1862), Guinness (1888) and others.
For the Historicist view of the seals revealed as they occurred. These all thought the seals were being fulfilled then, not in the distant future.
Irenaeus 185 A.D. (only 1st seal), Tertullian 190 AD (1st and second), Victorinus 300 AD, Andreas of Caesarea 520 AD, Primasius 6th century, Aretha, 9th century, Haymo 9th century.
““and the lion shall lie down with the lamb...”
The lamb of God saved the prostitute...the Lion of the Tribe of Judah took a scourge made of cords and drove the money changers out of the temple... fierceness and mildness, Lion and lamb!”
Interesting thought
There's the problem with discussing things with you. I haven't been in that church for over 55 years now.
Please do not ping me again.
“I’ll let the reasonable people make up their own minds.”
But you left something out, yet again, Elsie. You are getting forgetful, or slippery.
We were questioning YOUR post (#413) not mine. You forgot to include how you left out the part of my post that showed I was being consistent but you were complaining that I changed my position.
At least you are being consistently evasive with your own behavior, you have that much going for you!
bare-knuckled debate is fine with me, but don’t make stuff up through selective omission - that is poor form.
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