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To: NYer

Not sure why you are asking me to give that information to you since you yourself said you love the Baltimore Catechism. That means you know the answer to that question already, no?

What I would like to know is why JPII’s catechism fails to be as clear about the fact that suicide is a mortal sin. It is just one more example of Modernism in New Church.


35 posted on 11/03/2014 3:45:05 PM PST by piusv
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To: piusv; vladimir998
Not sure why you are asking me to give that information to you since you yourself said you love the Baltimore Catechism. That means you know the answer to that question already, no?

You stated that suicide, according to the Baltimore Catechism, is a mortal sin. You then questioned the clarity of this in the most current release of the catechism.

Let's go to the books.

BALTIMORE CATECHISM

Q. 1274. What sin is it to destroy one's own life, or commit suicide, as this act is called?

A. It is a mortal sin to destroy one's own life or commit suicide, as this act is called, and persons who willfully and knowingly commit such an act die in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of Christian burial. It is also wrong to expose one's self unnecessarily to the danger of death by rash or foolhardy feats of daring.
     

I then asked you to define a mortal sin. According to the Baltimore Catechism:

Q. 280. {54} What is mortal sin?

A. Mortal sin is a grievous offense against the law of God.

Q. 281. {55} Why is this sin called mortal?
A. This sin is called mortal because it deprives us of spiritual life, which is sanctifying grace, and brings everlasting death and damnation on the soul.

Q. 282. {56} How many things are necessary to make a sin mortal?
A. To make a sin mortal, three things are necessary: a grievous matter, sufficient reflection, and full consent of the will.


The CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH actually takes suicide to a higher level by addressing its impact on others.

2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him.
It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life.
We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls.
We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us.
It is not ours to dispose of.

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life.
It is gravely contrary to the just love of self.
It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations.
Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal.
Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."131

Both catechisms consider suicide to be a mortal sin. However, three qualifications must be met. We do not know if Brittany was a Catholic. We do know, however, that her actions are being used by others to promote euthanasia as a life ending choice. We, as Catholics, have an obligation to stop these organizations.

90 posted on 11/04/2014 3:57:51 AM PST by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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