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To: BlatherNaut

Religion changes as society changes. Historians have observed this over the past thousand years.

I’ll assume that you are a well informed Catholic follower. So you must know all about the Holy Inquisition, and the numerous forms of violent and grotesque torture that the Catholic Church endorsed as fear tactics to prevent the practice of alternative religions and social values.

Where were Christ’s teachings while hundreds of thousands of “unbelievers” were being stretched, flayed, and tortured in a number of other ways?

Would you say that these practices were correct and in line with your moral values?

The point I am making is that in the grand scheme of things, I believe that love and acceptance of others is infinitely more virtuous than hate and discrimination.

I believe that Father Walter agrees with this sentiment, and perhaps the silent majority of Catholics do too!


40 posted on 11/13/2014 6:44:41 PM PST by utherealmvp (Brandeis, University, Don't Judge Blindly, Supportive Student)
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To: utherealmvp
Hundreds of thousands? It's best to verify your info instead of simply pulling numbers out of your hairy...about 125000 people were investigated over the course of the Inquisition (which was administered by the Spanish government, btw, not the Church), of which only a portion faced torture, and but a tiny percentage execution. And do you realize, the Inquisition was first established to counter the threat of Islamic subversion so recently after the Reconquesta?

But regardless, you are creating a false equivalency. You can't compare the actions (justified or not) of a government-administered organization with truths found in Doctrine and Sacred Scripture itself. It is of no moment what the "silent majority" of Catholics think. As Archbishop Fulton Sheen said, "Moral principles do not depend on a majority vote. Wrong is wrong, even if everybody is wrong. Right is right, even if nobody is right."

"The point I am making is that in the grand scheme of things, I believe that love and acceptance of others is infinitely more virtuous than hate and discrimination"

That sounds nice (from a drivelly relativist viewpoint at least), but in the grand scheme of things it is pointless, false bunkus. If you truly love someone, you do your best to direct them AWAY from sin, not affirm them in their sin.

You have betrayed yourself as person with very, very little understanding of the Catholic faith. Possibly even worse, you have bought into a multiplicity of modernist lies. If manage to stick around here, hopefully you'll eventually see through the haze Brandeis has wrapped around your noggin.

Who dropped you on your head here anyway?

42 posted on 11/13/2014 7:56:03 PM PST by TheDandyMan
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To: utherealmvp
I’ll assume that you are a well informed Catholic follower.

If Fr. Cuenin is your spiritual leader, I'll assume you are not. Fr. Cuenin's behavior is leading souls astray.

The point I am making is that in the grand scheme of things, I believe that love and acceptance of others is infinitely more virtuous than hate and discrimination.

God is Truth and God is Love, and thus the two cannot be separated. Conflating the teachings of Christ, "the way, and the truth, and the life" with "hate and discrimination" is a trick of the adversary.

"Be sober and watch: because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, goeth about seeking whom he may devour."

Conflating virtue with affirmation of spiritually and physically destructive behaviors is another trick of the evil one. "He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof."

Dogma and doctrine cannot "change as society changes", because God does not change. "Jesus Christ, yesterday, and to day; and the same for ever." Hebrews 13:8

If you are ever interested in learning the truth regarding the Catholic Church, read "The Deposit of Faith: What the Catholic Church Really Believes - Jesus Teaching Divine Revelation in his Body, the Church" by Eugene Kevane, Ph.D.

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Catechism of the Catholic Church

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 ...Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

43 posted on 11/13/2014 8:23:37 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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