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To: Varda
All preexisting bodies are dust.

Not mine and not yours. Our bodies began to develop when the sperm hit the egg. But Adam came directly from the dust of the earth. He didn't come from a beast. God created man with a dignity above the beasts.

The fact that Christ could create a healthy eye from unhealthy or could turn leprous skin into smooth (as did God a couple of times in the OT) or translate Lazarus from dead to living shows that He can create instantaneously and not over a period of years. We need to take God at His word in the creation account and not read our own preferences into it.

92 posted on 10/30/2014 7:54:31 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Yes but what are sperm and egg made from? Science is a case of reductionism. It’s the study of constituant parts. It explains everything by secondary and proximate causes. Theology is above that. It’s the study of the first cause and proceeds from that perspective.

Scripture says that Adam came from the dust of the earth but not whether there were intermediate forms. You are reading into the text that there weren’t. I don’t read it that way.

“God created man with a dignity above the beasts.”

There’s no doubt about that, we’re made in the image and likeness.


97 posted on 10/30/2014 8:24:14 PM PDT by Varda (God is the creator, evolution is the unfolding of creation)
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To: what's up
The fact that Christ could create a healthy eye from unhealthy or could turn leprous skin into smooth (as did God a couple of times in the OT) or translate Lazarus from dead to living shows that He can create instantaneously and not over a period of years.

This is, I submit, stretching a point. The only real Creation, of Something from Nothing, occurred at the Big Bang.

As Genesis 1:1 says, in the Beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth. To my mind, at this point God created the Universe and set it in motion based on the Laws he had created for it to run by.

This does not, of course, mean that thereafter He could not interfere and modify the results of those laws when and where he saw fit. He pretty clearly did so when Christ was incarnated, and no doubt in many if not all of the Biblical miracles.

But these were not Creations, in the pure sense. In the examples you give, Christ did not Create healthy skin or eye from nothing, he simply healed the existing body parts that were diseased. In the case of Lazarus and his other raisings from the dead, he did not Create a live body from nothing, he restored life to an existing though dead body.

Humans themselves have developed capabilities to heal living but diseased bodies in ways that would at the time of Christ have been considered miraculous. Depending on your definition of Death, we have even brought deceased people back to life, and our abilities in this direction are likely to improve.

To my mind this shows that Man's abilities and potentials, he being made in the Image of God, overlap with those of God. As He intended.

109 posted on 10/31/2014 7:19:18 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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