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To: SpirituTuo
....it is an assault, an affront, and insult to our spiritual leader, the Vicar of Christ...When somebody takes a shot your pastor, let me know if you will willing stand idly by.

It's happened. There's even a couple of FRoman Catholics here who take regular potshots at Billy Graham and place him in the same category as Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright.

Tell the Vicar of Christ to grow a FReeper handle and respond for himself if he's really insulted. He uses Twitter, for crying out loud, so it shouldn't be too hard for him.

57 posted on 10/30/2014 2:06:13 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Alex Murphy

It is unfortunate that Billy Graham has been treated badly. I may not agree with all of his theology, but he seems earnestly interested in leading people to Jesus Christ.

Now, regarding the other so-called reverends, don’t get me started.

I think Twitter is about the only social media he can take on, with leading a Church of over 1 billion followers and all that requires. However, I assume you statement was humorous in nature, and I took it that way.


59 posted on 10/30/2014 2:15:31 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: Alex Murphy

But who would be his translator?

So there we go. Right back to square one. lol

That said, this latest kerfuffle does appear to have been caused by faulty translation (as has been explained better on another thread, and as one can see when eyeballing more directly the original Italian language which he spoke) for there is difference between the word demiurge as Bergoglio used the term in Italian, and capital "D" Divine.

That was clarified well enough also when he basically repeated or restated his argument there, pointing at the difference between a creator and the Creator, with Bergoglio saying that God was capital "C" Creator, not just some limited, lower-case creator of the physical world, as some ancient Greco-Roman (or other) philosopher would describe God or 'gods' -- those having powers, but those powers being in some manner circumscribed, or limited.

What this results in, in this context, is having philosophical acceptance for what could be termed --- theistic evolution -- Old Earth Creationism -- Intelligent Design, etc.

I don't see what the problem with that is, although I do understand those of two opposing camps could be reaching down to the ground about now to pick up rocks to hurl at me. Please...everyone...don't take that "go get your own dirt" punchline as a directive, or at least be a bit more gentle in how yous' share it. ;^')

That was my own take on things, from grade school onwards, without having those terms defined for me, or having been exposed to comparative arguments which insisted that there must be an either/or choice, as in acceptance for some amount of validity for ToE (Theory of Evolution) -- or else a woodenly literal "6000 years" of time since Creation of all elements, and/or the earth itself also.

65 posted on 10/30/2014 3:41:25 PM PDT by BlueDragon (don't forget, freepers. turn off the eyetalions...or else everything (textual) will be slanted)
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