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To: Idaho_Cowboy
I seriously doubt the reporters of this story speak Italian, and are using a internet translator. Pretty sloppy, if you ask me, and certainly shouldn't be considered a definitive source. One more versed in Italian than I indicated the word "demiurge" was used in Italian, and translated into English as "divine." Since I don't speak Italian, I looked it up, and found it is also a term used in English. The wikipedia definition is: The demiurge (/ˈdɛmiˌɜrdʒ/) is a concept from the Platonic, Neopythagorean, Middle Platonic, and Neoplatonic schools of philosophy for an artisan-like figure responsible for the fashioning and maintenance of the physical universe. The term was subsequently adopted by the Gnostics. Although a fashioner, the demiurge is not necessarily thought of as being the same as the creator figure in the familiar monotheistic sense, because both the demiurge itself plus the material from which the demiurge fashions the universe are considered either uncreated and eternal, or the product of some other being, depending on the system. ...In the arch-dualist ideology of the various Gnostic systems, the material universe is evil, while the non-material world is good. Accordingly, the demiurge is malevolent, as linked to the material world. Words certainly matter, but we have to remember that a reporter is out to make a story that will catch people's attention, often at the price of accuracy.
46 posted on 10/30/2014 12:51:23 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: SpirituTuo
I seriously doubt the reporters of this story speak Italian, and are using a internet translator. Pretty sloppy, if you ask me, and certainly shouldn't be considered a definitive source. One more versed in Italian than I indicated the word “demiurge” was used in Italian, and translated into English as “divine.” Since I don't speak Italian, I looked it up, and found it is also a term used in English. The wikipedia definition is: The demiurge (/ˈdÉ›miˌɜrdÊ’/) is a concept from the Platonic, Neopythagorean, Middle Platonic, and Neoplatonic schools of philosophy for an artisan-like figure responsible for the fashioning and maintenance of the physical universe. The term was subsequently adopted by the Gnostics. Although a fashioner, the demiurge is not necessarily thought of as being the same as the creator figure in the familiar monotheistic sense, because both the demiurge itself plus the material from which the demiurge fashions the universe are considered either uncreated and eternal, or the product of some other being, depending on the system. ...In the arch-dualist ideology of the various Gnostic systems, the material universe is evil, while the non-material world is good. Accordingly, the demiurge is malevolent, as linked to the material world. Words certainly matter, but we have to remember that a reporter is out to make a story that will catch people's attention, often at the price of accuracy.

Interesting. That would sail over the heads of the reporters. So depending on whether they translate the word (ie divine) or transliterate (demiurge) the meaning would be completely different. Don't any of the major media outlets that do International news have offices in Rome with folks fluent in Italian. Do they all rely on the wire service or something? If they really wanted to get to the bottom of this instead of stir up controversy, I should think this would be a non-question.

I'm not Catholic, but even I get the feeling the media is trying to manufacture some hysteria about the Pope so they don't have to report on what he said about gay marriage.

60 posted on 10/30/2014 2:16:18 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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