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To: metmom
If anything else in all creation were capable of cleansing us from sin, Christ died for nothing. His death was a needless torture and murder of an innocent man.

Christ died for our sins...we all believe that, but He certainly expected us to try our best to refrain from sins after that. Did we, absolutely not, and to think for one minute thast you can choose whatever lifestyle you please, commit any act that seems pleasurable, take anything that you desire from whoever it may be, and then die and be immediately forgiven and go straight to Heaven is the height of niavity. If you are guilty of serious sin and do not express sorrow and get yourself right with the Lord you will fry in Hell. If you are guilty of less serious violations, you will spend a little time in purgatory where you will take responsibility for your actions and be forgiven them.

2,771 posted on 10/20/2014 9:02:44 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl
Christ died for our sins...we all believe that, but He certainly expected us to try our best to refrain from sins after that.

Yes, He does, but our salvation and forgiveness is not contingent on that because then it would be wages due instead of actual forgiveness given by grace.

Grace is not grace unless it is FREELY given. If you have to do something to earn it or keep it, it's not grace.

Did we, absolutely not, and to think for one minute thast you can choose whatever lifestyle you please, commit any act that seems pleasurable, take anything that you desire from whoever it may be, and then die and be immediately forgiven and go straight to Heaven is the height of niavity.

No one ever stated that we can sin with impunity and without consequences. Find the links to comments anyone has made that shows them making those statements. Nevertheless, no matter what the believer has done, the blood of Christ has cleansed them. They are new creatures in Christ, they have a new redeemed nature, and when the body of flesh dies, all that's left is the new nature, and yes, that is what is qualified to go to heaven, directly to heaven, without a stop in purgatory, because the new nature has no sin it in to pay for, even if something besides Jesus' blood could do it, which it can't.

If you are guilty of serious sin and do not express sorrow and get yourself right with the Lord you will fry in Hell.

No we won't. If someone believes that, they are not trusting the finished work of Christ on the cross. God does not count our sins against us, He has transferred us into the kingdom of the Son he loves and does not hold our record of guilt against us.

If you are guilty of less serious violations, you will spend a little time in purgatory where you will take responsibility for your actions and be forgiven them.

Nope. Sin is sin and any sin results in death, separation from God and makes the sinner ineligible to be in God's presence. The ONLY thing that cleanses that sin is the blood of Jesus. NOTHING else can do it or Jesus died for nothing. His death was the needless torture and execution of an innocent man.

None of what you claim can be supported anywhere in Scripture.

2,812 posted on 10/21/2014 5:59:40 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: terycarl; metmom
>> If you are guilty of less serious violations, you will spend a little time in purgatory where you will take responsibility for your actions and be forgiven them.<<

To deny the all sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice is to deny Christ Himself. Thinking that man can add anything is blasphemy.

2,820 posted on 10/21/2014 6:16:16 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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