so.....Charles Martel and the Crusaders who ran the moslem hoardes out of Europe and freed up previously Christian countries from them were murderers?????
Since when is self-defense ever considered murder?
No, the murder charge is for the Catholic church who slaughtered those who dared to dissent from its teachings.
And your comment is also detracting from the original comments were those of other Catholics who approved of the church killing those who it deemed heretics, which is murder, plain and simple.
Nice try at obfuscation but a fail on lots of levels.
Context. The issue was using the sword of men to slay theological dissenters, not supporting an army against a physical murders, though a church raising an army to engage in a holy war against Muslims, inducing the former with indulgences, was overall doing a right thing the wrong way, as it is not in the charter of the church to rule over those without using the sword of men.
And in addition were Crusaders fighting against Russian and Greek Orthodox Christians, Jews, and political enemies of the popes, and in way that too often went barbaric.