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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Roman Catholicism teaches:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

But God says:

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)

"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. (John 3:16-19)

2,387 posted on 10/19/2014 12:19:59 AM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Well done, sister.


2,436 posted on 10/19/2014 5:23:17 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: boatbums
But God says:

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)

"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

Is anyone disputing this? Of course salvation comes through the grace of God and Christ's atoning death. I don't know any Christians who would argue this.

But what about the hard case of the person who is ignorant of Christ and His Church, through no fault of his own. Is he damned? If so, how can that be reconciled with God's nature as Justice Itself?

What do you say, in your interpretation of Scripture?

Catholics recognize that God is Justice Itself, and cannot damn a person because of his ignorance of Christ.

If that's what you think, you should seriously examine your belief.

From the Catechism:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846

How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847

This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. 337

848

"Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338


2,458 posted on 10/19/2014 9:31:01 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: boatbums
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)

indeed a beautiful passage...but we all know that God is all merciful(lucky for all of us), but to think that God would condemn to hell those humans who had no knowledge of Him and Salvation would be dishonoring God far more than I would dare to do!!

2,502 posted on 10/19/2014 4:17:50 PM PDT by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: boatbums; St_Thomas_Aquinas

>> “But God says:

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)” <<

Do we have a mystery on our hands?

The believers that lived before Yeshua was born will be saved too, in fact, Paul asserts that they will rise before us.

Perhaps we are dealing with a mistaken impression of what “in him” and “through him” means?

The word is clear that the early Hebrews that believed will be saved.
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2,504 posted on 10/19/2014 4:27:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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