[CynicalBear]

>>You are mistaking a prayer shortcut<<

I'm not mistaking anything. I could have posted example after example of prayers to saints and Mary not only asking for specific acts on their part but dedicatjng oneself totally to that entity rather than to God. Catholics can nuance the issue all they want but it's only they who are being deceived.

>>As a very rough and very imperfect illustration<<

No, it's actually a carnal attempt obfuscate the truth. The prayer was specifically asking that saint to perform an act. Words mean something. When I ask someone to pray for me I don't ask that person actually perform the task. Your feeble attempt is laughable and sad.

>>Now God does not need ANY prayers.<<

We are told to pray and to whom to pray.

Catholics deny that they pray TO saints and Mary then when shown proof that they actually do contrive some sort of denial. They are not deceiving anyone but themselves.

[Rides_A_Red_Horse]

Catholics deny that they pray TO saints and Mary then when shown proof that they actually do contrive some sort of denial. They are not deceiving anyone but themselves.

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Or they post silly, meaningless pictures of cereal boxes or simply say “you’re wrong” with no actual explaination or rebuttal.

[Heart-Rest]

You obviously choose to persist in holding your own erroneous viewpoints about the Catholic Church, which do not line up with the truth.    Never forget that we've told you these truths over and over here.