[Mrs. Don-o]

I don't dispute any of that. As I said (third time) I am not a pacifist and am not defending pacifism. I'm just referring to the Gospels, Acts, Epistles, and first 300 years, which do not fit that pattern of wielding force --- lethal or otherwise --- force to defend the innocent.

Which, I agree, is a moral obligation, especially for those responsible for the well-being of others.

[Resettozero]

I'm just referring to the Gospels, Acts, Epistles, and first 300 years, which do not fit that pattern of wielding force --- lethal or otherwise --- force to defend the innocent.

Yes, they either escaped or faced the same overwhelming physical force as did many Jews, some Christians, gypsies, and others during WWII. But do you know for a fact that these all went to the camps without any resistance? (They didn't.)