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Why would anyone become Catholic?
https://www.indiegogo.com ^ | October 2, 2014 | Indiegogo

Posted on 10/08/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

Why would intelligent, successful people give up their careers, alienate their friends, and cause havoc in their families...to become Catholic? Indeed, why would anyone become Catholic?

As an evangelist and author who recently threw my own life into some turmoil by deciding to enter the Catholic Church, I've faced this question a lot lately. That is one reason I decided to make this documentary; it's part of my attempt to try to explain to those closest to me why I would do such a crazy thing.

Convinced isn't just about me, though. The film is built around interviews with some of the most articulate and compelling Catholic converts in our culture today, including Scott Hahn, Francis Beckwith, Taylor Marshall, Holly Ordway, Abby Johnson, Jeff Cavins, Devin Rose, Matthew Leonard, Mark Regnerus, Jason Stellman, John Bergsma, Christian Smith, Kevin Vost, David Currie, Richard Cole, and Kenneth Howell. It also contains special appearances by experts in the field of conversion such as Patrick Madrid and Donald Asci.

Ultimately, this is a story about finding truth, beauty, and fulfillment in an unexpected place, and then sacrificing to grab on to it. I think it will entertain and inspire you, and perhaps even give you a fresh perspective on an old faith.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; willconvertforfood
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To: JPX2011
Let’s see your proof. And please don’t give me that one person told the next person nonsense. I’ve played that game. >If you've already been jaded and predisposed to ignore facts and truths because of it then what would be the point?<

this is easily solved. do a simple word search on tradition in the NT. read those passages in context. it will answer your questions.

the catholic church has, as it always has, misinterpreted this to allow for additional non-biblical teaching. this allow an appeal to what "feels" right and an allegorical interpretation of Scripture.

it also allows an appeal to the ECFs who were by no means in agreement on the additional teachings of the catholic church.

361 posted on 10/09/2014 6:39:17 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: JPX2011
>You denied there were idols of mary....I provided these. You still deny. And then you attempt to shift the conversation in typical alinsky tactics so that tells me you can't deny these images. as I said, there's lots more of these and you know it.<

I denied your interpretative philosophy regarding those images. Because you can't prove that the focal point of those images is a deity to be worshiped. Can you say that? I suppose you could, but it doesn't make it so.

You can post all the images you want but unless you can prove the underlying premise which is these are deities being worshiped then you're engaging in nothing but liberal propaganda.

Wow. Just. Wow.

As I said...denial is a river in Egypt.

And yes, I'm done with this conversation with you.

And I thought obama was obtuse.

362 posted on 10/09/2014 6:43:43 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: MamaB
Do not know about him but my Southern Baptist minister got his PHD in ancient languages from Biblcal times. I trust him a whole lot more anyone here. He tells the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He has been our minister since 1978.

that's a man to listen to. you can't go wrong with the Greek or Hebrew.

363 posted on 10/09/2014 6:45:40 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: CynicalBear
Yeah didn’t think you could. In reality Catholics have no idea if those “traditions” are the same. Truth is, they can’t possibly be the same. The Holy Spirit through Paul told us that if someone taught something they didn’t to consider that person accursed.

Uh huh. Well you're entitled to think what you like about me. Truth be told I reserve my scholarship and apologetics for those on RF who might be receptive to it. Pearls and swine and all that. And in my estimation, you're not worthy of it. Besides, people far more eloquent, charitable and knowledgeable have explained these things to you and you've rejected it.

P.S.: Paul's statement was in the context of all the apostles in communion with Peter as Head of Christ's Church who could not err in teaching contrary to the Faith.

364 posted on 10/09/2014 6:51:10 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011
That authority was given to one person: Peter and his successors.

This misunderstanding of Scripture is why there is such a sharp disagreement on this thread, even though the correct explanation of what Jesus founded His Church upon has been given in past posts on this thread.

This type of argument will not end until The Lord Jesus Christ appears with his Saints and cuts the days short to avoid all flesh being destroyed.

Many at that time will resist Him still, even though He is The Truth and Only Savior of mankind.

Just as some here are resisting what is true about what the Holy Scriptures actually mean and what the Subject of those Scriptures really is.
365 posted on 10/09/2014 6:58:08 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: JPX2011
>>Besides, people far more eloquent, charitable and knowledgeable have explained these things to you and you've rejected it.<<

No one has even attempted to prove the "traditions" are the same. They can't.

>>P.S.: Paul's statement was in the context of all the apostles in communion with Peter as Head of Christ's Church who could not err in teaching contrary to the Faith.<<

Paul specifically referenced the Gentiles making the statement "giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; 9and He made no distinction between us and them,". That cannot possibly be used for what you would like.

366 posted on 10/09/2014 7:01:16 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: CynicalBear

great, then you must be Catholic then..


367 posted on 10/09/2014 7:01:31 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

Catholicism is pagan. Most of what they do and believe goes back to Nimrod.


368 posted on 10/09/2014 7:11:05 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: CynicalBear
No one has even attempted to prove the "traditions" are the same. They can't.

It's curious. This insistence on sameness and continuity as a determiner of Truth. These are attributes of human analytical thought and according to the protestant have no bearing on the truth anywhere else in theology, except here. Of course it also depends on whether someone is referring to "traditions" in the pejorative sense or Tradition. Incidentally we Catholics refer to it as Sacred Tradition and not Traditions because Sacred Tradition has a singular quality to it signifying continuity. Which is what the protestant is apparently searching for.

369 posted on 10/09/2014 7:13:21 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011; CynicalBear

....”You’d think they would go farther, exploring the deep richness of Christian theology”.......

They wouldn’t be responding so brilliantly to your posts had they not had a broad and complete understanding of ‘Christian’ Theology.....as opposed to catholic theology....there is a difference between the two.

Asking someone to understand catholic theology is like asking someone to identify ‘counterfeit’ currency......but if you study ‘real’ currency, (true Christian Theology), so that you know every dot and line then you can easily identify the counterfeit. (catholic theology) at a glance....there’s no need to study the counterfeit.


370 posted on 10/09/2014 7:16:15 PM PDT by caww
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To: JPX2011

Could you be a little more obtuse?


371 posted on 10/09/2014 7:19:58 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: caww
They wouldn’t be responding so brilliantly to your posts had they not had a broad and complete understanding of ‘Christian’ Theology.....as opposed to catholic theology....there is a difference between the two.

Broad and complete you say? Wow, that's quite the statement. Is that complete in the sense that an angel has full and complete knowledge? I don't know a Catholic who would ever boast of 'knowing it all.' Once again the gnosis of Protestantism peeks its head up. .

But lets run with that for a moment. If the protestant apologist has complete knowledge of everything that it is to be a Christian then how can they possibly offend God with sin if their knowledge is so complete? Unless an act of transcendence has occurred. Their humanity has been left behind for some other order of existence.

P.S.: Catholic theology is Christian. Another artificial bifurcation from team Luther/Zwingli/Calvin.

372 posted on 10/09/2014 7:27:58 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011
Catholic theology is Christian.

Then what you have been preaching here is not Catholic theology. You are preaching another Christ than the One Paul preached.
373 posted on 10/09/2014 7:31:36 PM PDT by Resettozero
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To: MamaB
Do not know about him

Then you should read some of his stuff.

The Fourth cup- this site has a written transcript and an audio version.

http://thecatholicme.com/2012/12/29/the-fourth-cup-scott-hahn/

His conversion story:

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0088.html

374 posted on 10/09/2014 7:35:33 PM PDT by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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To: verga

I had no idea Gamecock had written books. Wow.


375 posted on 10/09/2014 7:44:18 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: CynicalBear
Could you be a little more obtuse?

I could. But if you need me to spell it out for you then so be it. For any authentic Christian tradition to be so it must possess a certain quality of sameness with apostolic tradition. This is the argument you put forth. Continuity with that which was. On the face of it, not a problem. We Catholics do the same.

The problem comes when the protestant interjects their notion of what is the 'same' into the equation. Sameness inherently means identical. Or, it means whatever the beholder of sameness determines. Which ultimately is a function of what end of the telescope one is looking through. So, unless the protestant is prepared to accept only that which is identical, particularly in scripture, then they must be prepared to eject all the solas which are not identical to what was expressed in scripture.

As for the rest. We've all heard the following phrase, "Men and women: equal in dignity, but not the same." Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture perform the same function. Equal in dignity but not the same. Two distinct phenomena. Complementary. That is how God operates. Sameness as a function of Truth is a fiction. No wonder nobody has been able to "prove" anything to you.

376 posted on 10/09/2014 7:45:33 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011

And you still can’t show that what the Catholic Church teaches is what the apostles taught. Accursed is what we are told to consider those teachers.


378 posted on 10/09/2014 7:49:44 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus in)
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To: CynicalBear
And you still can’t show that what the Catholic Church teaches is what the apostles taught. Accursed is what we are told to consider those teachers.

Show me where the apostles taught the doctrine of the Trinity, or any of the Christological doctrines? It becomes problematic in a hurry when one insists on identical sameness doesn't it?

379 posted on 10/09/2014 7:53:51 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: caww
Ok.....want to share in your own words just what these catholic priests are doing before this goddess idol

Is that a goddess? Wow! never saw one before. Are you sure? I mean doesn't someone have to be a goddess before they can be worshiped as a goddess? And don't the people doing the supposed worship have to acknowledge her status as a goddess? This deity stuff is hard.

380 posted on 10/09/2014 7:58:47 PM PDT by JPX2011
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