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To: Mr Rogers; HarleyD

The point remains that the Church as a whole did not relegate the Deuterocanon to any special status, no matter what individual opinions existed on the matter when the Canon was still in the process of formation, that is till 5 Century. The Council of Carthage lists all the books of the Catholic Old Testament without distinction. The Deuterocanonical books were used in liturgy since then. That is all that matters.

Trent merely confirmed infallibly the doctrines that were challenged by the Reformers. It did not insert anything into the canon. That is generally how the Church operates: it speaks infallibly not to establish a dogma but to confirm or disallow a doctrine when and if it is challenged.


162 posted on 10/04/2014 5:09:28 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex; HarleyD; Mr Rogers
The point remains that the Church as a whole did not relegate the Deuterocanon to any special status, no matter what individual opinions existed on the matter when the Canon was still in the process of formation, that is till 5 Century

Your version of the history of the canon contradicts Roman Catholic history of the canon. The canon was not settled in the 5th century.

The Council of Carthage lists all the books of the Catholic Old Testament without distinction.

Again, both Councils of Carthage and Hippo CONTRADICT the Council of Trent on the Septuagint version 1 Edras.

Cordially,

184 posted on 10/04/2014 5:49:41 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: annalex; Mr Rogers

Who's to say that Council or any other was entirely inerrant and/or infallible?

Themselves?

Others coming after them, not daring to to do anything but validate the proceedings for reason they prefer to (need to?) regard these Councils composed of clearly other than "infallible" men as individuals, all of a sudden become inerrant/infallible when they gather together?

As Christ Himself cited from OT scripture "if a man bears witness of himself he bears false witness".

That's the problem right there.

Not knowing any better (or caring) these particular works were accessed fairly earlier on for passages and verses here and there (AS I ALREADY MENTIONED -- hello?) which in itself does not make those works post el facto into having been Hebrew canon -- thus needing be regarded as truly inspired, even inerrant (inerrant-- not to be confused with "infallible") at the time Christ walked the earth as man.

Saying now as you have "that's all that matters" gives away the game, with that game un-winnable ---unless the writings of the Law and the Prophets Jesus came to fulfill were not known well enough to the very religious authorities He repeatedly upbraided (and CONDEMNED) for not adhering to them, and/or misusing them.

188 posted on 10/04/2014 5:53:44 PM PDT by BlueDragon (...they murdered some of them bums...for thinking wrong thoughts)
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