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To: x; jjotto
The Jews are the only people who believe what they do because G-d personally told them to. Everyone else believes in everything (including G-d Himself) because their "bible" or their church tell them to.

And how do you know that? Where you there? Did you see or hear the event yourself? Or did you read it in some "bible"?

I know it because the claim of Revelation at Sinai is the one and only self-vindicating claim in all of history. Why has no one else even made a claim of direct public national revelation? They haven't because they can't. The Jews do because they were there.

If you take a look earlier on this thread you will note jjotto's [courtesy ping] pointing out that the Jews were studying Torah under Moses for forty years before the first scrolls were written down. The chain of transmission from G-d to Moses down through the millenia to this very day is an iron fact of history.

I thought you and I had agreed to leave each other alone?

I don't remember that. I may have agreed that there was no point in continuing a particular discussion, yet you go on posting your ... stuff. If you stopped, it would be a lot easier to ignore you.

I remember it very well, but apparently you have decided to renege. Very well. Unfortunately, FR doesn't have an "ignore" feature.

If you find me so much more infuriating than anyone else on this forum, I invite you to just avoid all my posts from now on. I did not begin this current conversation; you did. Just pay no attention to my "nonsense" and your blood pressure will go down. I make it a rule not to initiate conversations with you. Surely you can do the same.

50 posted on 10/02/2014 3:38:29 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I know it because the claim of Revelation at Sinai is the one and only self-vindicating claim in all of history. Why has no one else even made a claim of direct public national revelation? They haven't because they can't. The Jews do because they were there.

And how do you know precisely what happened? Was there really a trumpet? Did the whole people hear it?

I guess the claim that it was a mass experience makes it unshakably true for you, but we only have the authority of Bible (or whatever it is you're calling it) itself to vouch for the fact that what happened was really that different and more authoritative than the other theophanies that have happened in recorded history.

Your reasoning is circular. You reject modern theories of scripture to assert something like the literal truth of the Bible and then use the truth that you come to through the Bible to reject those theories.

You're looking for certainty, claiming that what you believe is not based in faith but in certainty. Other people make similar claims. Yours isn't different in kind from theirs.

I remember it very well, but apparently you have decided to renege.

Last time it was "Let us part ways." Forgive me for not thinking this was your final sign off, especially since you responded to the post where I agreed with "parting ways."

55 posted on 10/02/2014 4:02:19 PM PDT by x
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