[Slyfox]

A gloriously triumphant Jesus will return to what? ISIS and Obama and all of their followers? Yeah, right.

It is much easier to think that godly people will be jettisoned out when things get bad.

Well, it is bad right now, but I plan on sticking around as long as the Good Lord wants me here.

It would be the Christian thing to do.

[cuban leaf]

It is much easier to think that godly people will be jettisoned out when things get bad.

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I disagree. I look at the fate of Jesus as well as the apostles and I really don’t see Him sparing us difficulty, even up to and including death.

That being said, my first 18 years as a Christian were at an AG church that preached a pre-trib rapture (like the left behind books). I believed it for a couple of years until I started studying it. I then became what was then called “mid-tribulationist”. It’s now called “post trib, pre wrath”.

That is, satan and his minion wreak havoc against the church (the mark of the beast stuff, etc.) for 3.5 years. After this comes the wrath of God. In the middle is Revelation 7 which includes the sealing of the 144,000 and the number too great to count that is at the throne and who washed their robes in the blood of the lamb during the great tribulation.

Is it the rapture? Or are they those that are killed? I dunno. The symbolism of all the prophesy is thick enough to ensure nobody will predict it. It is sort of one of those “you’ll know it when you see it” sort of things, IMO.

But the left behind stuff is based on very bad teaching. I refuse to read the books or see the movies.

[huldah1776]

The gloriously triumphant return of Jesus is because He kills all of His enemies. That is victory and the only way to the true peace on earth prophesied at His birth.