Posted on 09/30/2014 11:41:47 AM PDT by NYer
“That’s multiple days.”
Yes, but what days are being referred to? It says the “immediately after the tribulation of those days”, so days refers to the tribulation, not the day of wrath, or day of the Lord as it is referred to in other prophecies.
In fact, the verse you cite is the best proof that the day of wrath cannot possibly occur during the tribulation. The same events described in that verse (darkening of the sun and moon, stars falling from heaven, and the heavens being disturbed) match the events described in Rev 6:12-17 that you used as your reference for the “day of wrath”, and this verse in Matthew clearly places these events after the tribulation!
“The Greek has past or present tense “has come”. It is not a future anticipated event.”
Well, I will take your word for that. If it’s true, then Rev 6 must be describing events after the tribulation, or it would be in conflict with Matthew 24.
You need to read this passages side by side. Revelation 6 the moon is turned red not darkened. The mountains and the islands are moved not the powers of the heavens shaken. They are two distinctly different events
“They are two distinctly different events”
Then why did you quote that passage in post #131, using it as evidence for your interpretation of the event in Rev 6?
Kierkedork, yup. Good grief. Personally, I like Ravi Zacharias.
Thanks. :-)
Because the passage in Matthew says days. As in multiple. It shows, as well as other passages, that the “day of the Lord” refers to a period of time. Not just one day as you seemed to indicate you believe.
So now you say that Matthew 24 and Revelation 6 refer to the same event again? Which is it? The same event or two different events?
If they are the same event, then you can compare the verses and try to make some comparison about the use of day vs days.
If they are different events, then that comparison makes no sense at all, and so why would you make it?
He is pretty much going to destroy the earth as we know it...The destruction will be worse than anything ever experienced before, beyond our imagination...Yet, millions will survive...
And yes, God pulls his church off the earth while this devastation takes place...The church then returns to the earth with Jesus...
Please read 1 and 2 Thessalonians together. Pay attention to the theme of the letters and 2 Thessalonians 2. If you need to, write down when things happen.
Please read all of Romans 5.
vs 3 “And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations...
Unless “the wrath to come” means hell, there is no reason for Paul to include this in his logic to a people who will not be threatened by a particular instance of wrath. If the wrath is not the final judgment seat wrath, then no one need fear “the wrath to come” because only those who live during the time of the tribulation will experience that wrath..
Please read all of Luke 21.
1. many will say they are the Messiah
2. wars and disturbances
3. nation vs nation, kingdom vs kingdom
4. plagues and famines in various places
5. terrors and great signs from heaven (attesting miracles)
6. BUT BEFORE ALL THESE THINGS [caps mine] they will la their hands on you and will persecute you, delivering you to the synagogies adn prisons...yet not a hair of your head will perish. By your endurance you will gain your lives (soul)
7. When Jerusalem is surrounded by armies, head for the hills because these are days of vengeance
8. heavenly signs (vs 25 & 26 are powerful)
9. vs 27 “And they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN A CLOUD [Dan 7:13 & Rev 1:7]
10. vs 28 stand tall and keep your head up for “your redemption is drawing near.”
parable
11. Be on guard...”and that day come on you suddenly like a trap; for it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of the all the earth.
12 keep alert at all times, praying in order that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
New American Standard Version (as close to original language and today’s language)
No it doesn't, in those verses...But there are plenty of other verses that confirm it...
Every one knows the church is the Bride...Few however realize that the wedding has never taken place...We are the 'espoused' Bride...
The book of Revelation (with no s) tells of the destruction that will take place on the earth during the Great Tribulation...While this Tribulation is taking place, the Wedding of the Bride and Bridegroom also takes place, in heaven...This is the church that was taken up to meet the Lord before the Tribulation started...
Read the book of Revelation...You'll be blessed...
Why do you think they are the same event? No, the passage in Matthew is talking about what happens at the end of the seven year tribulation period.
It is simultaneous...The living will meet the dead in the air...
Saw that...It was projected on the side of a tractor-trailer in a field with the people setting in their cars...40-50 cars...
That's pretty clear, isn't it...And for those here who may not have a bible,
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
You don't think those people you refer to as salesmen have done the very same thing???
1 Thess 4:15-17 Dead in Christ rise first then those who are alive and remain meet them in the clouds. Just comforting to those with loved ones who have been called home already. But in 2 Thess the timing of the return is after the apostasy, the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction. Vs 3.
Very clear.
I’m all for it.
It might make big name actors curious...
Always a good thing for people to be curious about God.
You don't have to believe in the Rapture to be Raptured...But you do have to be a born again Christian...
I think along the same lines.
That’s interesting. I have always been taught that the letters were specifically targeted commendations or condemnations. I would not think of any part of Rev 3 as addressing the church as a whole.
Do you think the American church more resembles the church of Philadelphia (the church to whom this verse was addressed) or Laodicea, who has a very different message? Are all the churches in the letters going to share the same fate, or are some not even Christian?
It always seemed to me that the letters to the churches were more understandable than the later chapters whose meaning seems so divisive.
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