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To: daniel1212
However, scripture repeatedly references people having multiple fathers.

It does? Do you want to name them?


I will start by saying that I did not intend the statement to mean that Scripture has a verse that states "People have multiple fathers". However, various verses refer to father in the plural or state someone other than God the Father is someone's father.

However, to start God the Father is that Father of all. So we have at least one. Lk1:17 has "to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children". If the only father of those children were God the Father, then it would not be in the plural. Lk1:55 has "as he spoke to our fathers", again in the plural. In Lk1:57-64, Zechariah is the father of John the Baptist. Lk1:72 has "to perform the mercy promised to our fathers". This is in the plural. In Lk1:73, we read "our father Abraham". In Lk2:48-49, Mary asks Jesus "your father and I have been looking for you anxiously" and Jesus responds with "Did you not know that I must be in my Father's house?" There appears to be difference between the father in Mary's question and the Father in Jesus' reply. In 1 Jn 2:1, John wrote "My little children". Since John is male, I think it is reasonable to say he is saying he is their father.
1,329 posted on 09/30/2014 9:50:17 PM PDT by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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To: ronnietherocket3; CynicalBear
I will start by saying that I did not intend the statement to mean that Scripture has a verse that states "People have multiple fathers". However, various verses refer to father in the plural or state someone other than God the Father is someone's father.

That is a given. I did not realize where you were coming from, but though you were speaking of multiple biological earthly fathers, not a corporate or heavenly sense, sorry.

But the latter actually works contrary to your argument, for while the Holy Spirit clearly states that believers have a Heavenly father, and the Lord's instructions on how to pray specify addressing Him, nowhere are believers said to have a Heavenly mother, which is a Catholic and Mormonism teaching, or to address such is prayer to heaven, which presumes a uniquely Divine position and ability to hear all such and respond, as only God is shown being able to do.

Thus it is one more presumptuous argument from silence.

And in addition, the Lord Himself said He had more than one earthly mother, (Mt. 12:50) even instead of immediately heeding her desire to see him, which is not even recorded. Which is one more piece of evidence that Rome did not change the Bible to conform to her, as Islam must charge.

John wrote "My little children". Since John is male, I think it is reasonable to say he is saying he is their father.

As Paul, (1Co. 4:5; 1Tim. 1:2,18; 2Tim. 1:2; Phlm. 1:10) But this was as regards those whom he was indeed a spiritual father to, not a formal title that all are to call him by, which is no more right than having to call Mormon leaders "elders," and is contrary to the censure of love of titles of prestige that the Lord condemned, along with ostentatious clothing to gain the same. (Mt. 23:5-10)

1,486 posted on 10/02/2014 5:41:24 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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