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To: daniel1212
I've seen this explained different ways, but regardless, the Catholic Church proclaimed the dogma of the Immaculate Conception in 1854, and on February 11, 1858, Bernadette Soubirous, had her first (of 18) visions at Lourdes:
“I came back towards the grotto and started taking off my stockings. I had hardly taken off the first stocking when I heard a sound like a gust of wind. Then I turned my head towards the meadow. I saw the trees quite still: I went on taking off my stockings. I heard the same sound again. As I raised my head to look at the grotto, I saw a Lady dressed in white, wearing a white dress, a blue girdle and a yellow rose on each foot, the same color as the chain of her rosary; the beads of the rosary were white.”
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But he [Father Dominique Peyramale], made a request that her lady reveal her name. On several questions the angelic lady only smiled when Bernadette had asked her name. But on March 25th the Lady stated to Bernadette “que soy era Immaculada Councepciou.” “I am the Immaculate Conception” At the time, Bernadette did not realise the significance of these words. (The doctrine on the Immaculate conception of Mother Mary had only recently been approved by the Vatican). But, she repeated the words inwardly to avoid forgetting them before speaking the words to her astonished priest.
Did Mary come to Bernadette at Lourdes to back up the dogma recently proclaimed? There were and still are plentiful miracles resulting from Mary's apparitions at Lourdes.
1,012 posted on 09/29/2014 6:52:52 PM PDT by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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I've seen this explained different ways, but regardless, the Catholic Church proclaimed the dogma of the Immaculate Conception in 1854, and on February 11, 1858, Bernadette Soubirous, had her first (of 18) visions at Lourdes:

Well then that settles it, "the mere fact that the Church teaches the doctrine of the Assumption as definitely true is a guarantee that it is true.” — Karl Keating, Catholicism and Fundamentalism (San Francisco: Ignatius, 1988), p. 275.

Which premise of assured veracity with its presuppositions is fundamentally contrary to how the church began.

Next we have another lady with a vision, but we also have the incredible story of "Sister Magdalena of the Cross -The devil's saint for 40 years" with her demonic heavenly visions: http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2011/12/sister-magdalena-of-cross-nun-who-made.html

Which is as much a fable as it is an example of the demonic visions in Catholicism.

Considering that the only people who prayed anyone else in Heaven but the Lord are pagans,

and that the only Queen of Heaven in Scripture is that of pagans,

and that the only ones bowing does before idols and making requests are idolators,

and that the only one shows having the power to hear virtually infinite incessant prayers addressed to them in Heaven from earth is the Lord,

and that we are admonished not to think of men above that which is written, (1Cor. 4:6)

and as Scripture does not testify to the plethora of platitudes ascribed to her, of which are those only given to God,

then we must conclude the Mary of Catholicism is not that the holy women of Scripture, and the devotion to her is much of the flesh, and likewise the visions of her, or from the devil, who seeks to bring souls to worship instruments of grace as God, who alone is exalted as Caths do to their Mary.

As said, in Bible times one could not explain kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, and as having Divine powers and glory, and making offerings and beseeching such for Heavenly help, directly accessed by mental prayer!

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

As even St. Epiphanius is quoted by Haydoc as saying, while Haydoc violates it, "it is no less criminal to vilify the holy Virgin, than to glorify her above measure."

1,239 posted on 09/30/2014 3:02:50 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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