THE ASSUMPTION OF MARY: Condemned as Heretical by 2 Popes in the 5th and 6th Centuries

christiantruth.com ^ | William Webster

[CynicalBear]

>>Haven’t we been told that the Catholic church never changes<<

Like whether or not you have to be a member of the CC to be saved.

[mlizzy]

Wow! Protestants get jipped. Catholics get both cut and past.

In your spare time, you might be interested in some of Stephen Ray's postings. He is a convert to Catholicism, and publishes letters from other converts too (there's one at this link): Stephen Ray

[caww]

Your reference to Padre Pio...I see he's been dug up and put on display to "venerate" yet another. They cut out his heart too!

[Heart-Rest]

"I’m telling ya man. That unicycle thing is just exploitation of bears."

Those bears should be thankful that David (the shepherd, psalmist, and king) does not encounter them.    David just didn't like bears, and he had his own special way of dealing with them.    :-)

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But David said to Saul, “Your servant used to keep sheep for his father; and when there came a lion, or a bear, and took a lamb from the flock, I went after him and smote him and delivered it out of his mouth; and if he arose against me, I caught him by his beard, and smote him and killed him.    Your servant has killed both lions and bears; and this uncircumcised Philistine shall be like one of them, seeing he has defied the armies of the living God.”     1 Samuel 17:34-36

 

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[mlizzy]

Thanks for the pictures; I wish they were a bit bigger. I know you don’t agree with Catholicism, but, regardless, Padre Pio was an extraordinary saint! You would have enjoyed meeting him. Here’s a rare YouTube on him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQRxYCepS3Q

[CynicalBear]

>>He is a convert to Catholicism<<

We've been expecting those.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

[CynicalBear]

Sheesh, become a Catholic, do really really good and when you die they cut you up in some Satanic like ritual. We need to warn them new converts to stay low key.

[Iscool]

This is laughable not only to a large constellation of Catholic theologians but also to such eminent Protestant and Anglican theologians of the likes of Henry Newman of the Oxford University Movement, Richard Neuhaus, America’s foremost Lutheran scholar, author, and professor, and Francis Beckwith who as President of the Evangelical Theological Society, all converted to Catholicism.

And they all have one thing in common...They change the words of scripture or they ignore them, sometimes because they don't understand them and sometimes because they don't like them...

Many of the scriptures in the Pauline Epistles and elsewhere are Kriptonite to your scholars...

Same with some of your 35,000 Protestant denominations...They just don't like what the bible says in some places...

[narses]

[Iscool]

They always portray Mary above Jesus/God...

[WVKayaker]

[CynicalBear]

The earlier popes say no assumption now it’s dogma. Go figure.

[Gamecock]

If Jesus were raised from the dead today the Roman Catholics wouldn’t believe because there would be no body part to worship.

Well, almost no body part. There is/was one little fragment of Jesus that was trotted around for a while. They still celebrate it. I’m at work right now so I don’t have ready access or I would tell you more.

Check back around 9 tonight…

[Heart-Rest]

"They always portray Mary above Jesus/God..."

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You mean like this...

 

and this?

 

[WVKayaker]

"It must be true 'cause we say so..." -Mr. Papist

[caww]

What was really an atrocity against this man and his family was they fought to stop his body from ..”being profaned”..as quoted by their attorney Francesco Traversi, who was trying desperately to block this...he said...”they will not succeed in the attempt to re-crucify Padre Pio by putting his remains on display.”....

However the family's desires were trumped by “higher authorities”, as the Bishop told them, and was authorized by the Vatican's Congregation for the Causes of Saints to proceed. But then there was money to be made and yet how the church initially treated this man as follows:

...Pio was shunned by church officialdom for much of his life ...Various statements were made by the Holy See that denied the supernaturality of Padre Pio’s phenomena.... On June 9, 1931, Padre Pio was ordered by the Holy See to desist from all activities except the celebration of the Mass, which was to be in private. not public....he was also ordered not to answer correspondence from people seeking spiritual direction. ....It was also rumored that plans were being developed to transfer Padre Pio...but they couldn't find another place 'as remote' as the place he was in.

.... his devotees 'believed' he bore the wounds of the crucified Christ on his hands, feet and side for at least 50 years. However no signs were discoverd on the corpse that this was so.

Here's the order against him:

(Vespers on June 11, 1931, Padre Raffaele summoned Pio to the friary parlor to read the decree received, without comment:....."Padre Pio is to be stripped of all faculties of his priestly ministry except the faculty to celebrate the Holy Mass, which he may continue to do provided it is done in private, within the walls of the friary, in the inner chapel, and not publicy in church".)

Now to get back to the thread topic...but I found the study of this mans history rather interesting in light of him being used as a reference.