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To: BuckeyeTexan
...."Where does Revelation reference a rejection of Israel? "...

That was my point. Many Christians don't support Israel thinking they are somehow substituted for God's original people. The Covenants were made with Israel from the beginning. God doesn't change and He doesn't take back what He has decreed. The general theme of the article wants to put some special dispensation on the Coptic's, but That is just selective reading. The same can be said for Jehovah Witnesses that think they are the 144,000, and many others out there finding reasons we are all wrong and they are right. Jesus gave a very simple test for His Salvation and the rest is just disputes in the Body. All nations and toungues will give the the final "Bride" taken by Christ.

Now, as far as Romans 9-6-8, I think we agree that the adopted people are not Jews, but the Gentiles. But what of the Jews in Israel,...move to Romans 11. The whole chapter explains, but verses 7-10 explains God's plan for Israel.The Jews were blinded b God so the Gentiles could be added. It is in God's complete control what will happen to the Jews. They will be left behind, they will evangelize in the Last Days as the 144,000 because they have seen the One their pierced and the NATION will repent.

As an individual, we all must repent and believe Jesus is who He says He is, and can do what He says He can do. That doesn't save or condemn your nation, however. There are Jews in Heaven as we saw in the Mount of Transfiguration. What kind of God do we serve if Moses, Abraham, Joesph, Elijah, and others never had a chance? They knew an Savior was to come, and today we have seen the Savior that was sent. The Jew looking for Abraham's Seed is saved just as we are saved. We are God's children and heirs to Abraham's inheritance because we were fortunate enough to be adopted. God blind's some and gives sight to others,....all for His glory. We were called to God by His Spirit and pulled from the muck and cleaned by His blood. It had NOTHING to to with any special insight we might think we had. There are many with closed eyes and ears and we cannot cure their sight and unplug their ears. You can see some here speaking of what car Jesus will return in. They may even go to church every Sunday, but don't hear a word said. They don't understand the humor they find in mocking God, He finds repulsive. The Jews have taken the Word of God very seriously for millennia. That doesn't open their eyes and ears however, until the Spirit calls them, just as He did us. I won't be the one questioning God's judgement when Israel is saved and I was saved decades ago.

God comes, in Revelation to save the NATION of Israel in WWIII when they cry out to Him for salvation, just as they have done from Genesis. The individual Jews will see the wounds on the one they pierced and repent, just as Zechariah says.

I think we agree with more than disagree. This is just my opinion, of course, but the Bride will rule and reign with Christ for the thousand years over nations that are NOT the Bride. If Jesus just ruled Israel, there isn't enough room for the 5 billion left after the 2.5 billion are killed. They must still be in their home nation. However, if Egypt is not a supporter of Israel, it may not rain to grow crops or plagues may run rampant through the land, while the lion and lamb lay down together elsewhere. Revelation speaks of us eating food we did not grow and living in houses we did not build. I'm not saying God will have slaves, but just sayin. These are thing very sparsely written about and I haven't studied in depth. My main concern is, and has been the Rapture. I'm teaching a home Bible study right now on the Feasts of Israel and I think God has made it fairly plain you can't understand prophesy without studying the OT and the practices Israel. In Leviticus 23:1, God made it plain that the Feast days are for HIM, not just the Jews. To call it "Jewish" Feast days is almost anti-Semitic. These "Holy Convocations" are actually dress rehearsals for what is to come. Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, and Pentecost have all been fulfilled in prophesy. Trumpets, Yom Kippur, and Tabernacles are all that is left and they will all be fulfilled just as the Spring Feasts were fulfilled on the exact day and hour they were supposed to be fulfilled.

For your last sentence....." Where does Revelation reference a rejection of Israel?"....I can't understand where you think I said Israel will be rejected. Maybe you have me mixed up with some other poster. I specifically cited the verses in Zechariah that says they will be saved. The Jews will not be Raptured, but will be saved. After the Rapture, those left will be subject to the Mark and execution, but you can receive Salvation, but it will most likely be through your death for Christ. The "church" age will be over and Salvation will be made with your mouth and the baptism will be literal death for Christ. You won't be able to take the mark to save your life without denouncing Christ. If you save your life you will lose it and if you lose your life you will save it.

Jesus will rule and reign from Israel and we are His people. The Temple mount land was bought by King David to build the Temple. It was a threshing floor for a farmer, which I always thought was neat. It is believed that the very land was where Abraham raised the knife over Issac and Solomon build His Temple. The word "Holy" doesn't mean good, or religious, or anything like what we use the word for. It means set aside, and in our case set aside for God. The Holy Land is God's land and is for his holy people.

58 posted on 09/23/2014 11:39:41 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
It was a threshing floor for a farmer, which I always thought was neat.

Perhaps I'm mistaken,
tbut I thought it is the threshing floor
of Ruth and Boaz.

The gentile bride and the Kinsman-redeemer.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
59 posted on 09/23/2014 11:47:26 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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