Posted on 09/23/2014 6:50:30 AM PDT by Rashputin
So someone quoting Scripture and basing their belief on it is now "Protestant Bashing"?
There we have it, relying on Scripture has formally been declared to be "Protestant Bashing", thanks for clearing that up.
Is this post meant to mock Christians?
The man has substituted one religion which owes its predominance much to the arm of flesh for another, and like such, he can become so rabid he ceases to be rational.
REFUTATION of Walid Shoebat's Them Damned Catholics
....Shoebat's modus operandi is to employ misrepresentations and arguments using specious arguments, while ignoring that evangelicals are the most conservative, pro-Israel, anti-Islam Christian group in the West (as if one could be a Christian otherwise). Yet Shoebat's target is evangelicals, and resorts to invoking liberal Protestants in attacking them for things Catholicism examples, while he offers no documentation for his imbalanced view of history.
His cousin, interviewed in the report, stated that he had never known Shoebat to have ties to any movement, and that his claims of being a former terrorist were "for his own personal reasons". According to CNN, their reporters in the United States, Israel and the Palestinian territories found no evidence to support Shoebat's claims and "neither Shoebat nor his business partner provided any proof of Shoebat's involvement in terrorism."
A 2008 Jerusalem Post article raised questions regarding the authenticity of Shoebat's account, and reported that Bank Leumi had no record of an attack on its Bethlehem branch between 1977 and 1979. In addition, Shoebat's uncle also denied that such an attack took place. Such an incident was also not reported by Israeli news outlets according to Omar Sacirbey's 2010 Washington Post article.
The Jerusalem Post article also reported a contradiction in Shoebat's response to the question whether word of the bombing made the news at the time. He replied, "I don't know. I didn't read the papers because I was in hiding for the next three days." However, according the same article, he had told Britain's Sunday Telegraph in 2004 that "I was terribly relieved when I heard on the news later that evening that no one had been hurt or killed by my bomb." During his telephone interview, Shoebat was unable to recall the date or time of year of the attack. He told the Sunday Telegraph in 2004 that he was pressured by teachers to adopt an extreme Islamic philosophy. His uncle, who still lives in Beit Sahour, said religion did not play a major role in Walid's education, which he described as ideologically mild, and that there was no attack on Bank Leumi.
Thus while Shoebat's own claims about himself may be true, they seem to be basically based simply on his word. These are not the days of a socially close and conscionable society (and with limited travel) in which a person's personal truth claims are easily verified by those who knew the person, but one in which fraud and misrepresentation can easily more often be the case, Ergun Caner (who likewise claimed to be a radical Muslim convert) being a clear example, and it is also an age in which multitudes believe unsubstantiated claims. It is mandated in Scripture that in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. (Mt. 18:16; 2Cor. 13:1) Thus the apostles and others gave witness of the words and deeds of the Lord Jesus, and Luke carefully complies his record from eyewitnesses, That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed. (Luke 1:4)
While Shoebat has helped the case against Islam, his adulation of Catholicism and railing accusations against evangelicals, along with his own unsubstantiated claims, place him with Muslims who also attack true Christians.
Below is the text of Shoebat's railing accusations, with my response within [italicized brackets]...
Just spewed duet mountain dew all over my computer.
Thanks for the belly laugh.
You drink duet?
Catholicism is real Christianity.
If there’s a car involved, it’s a Coupe Deville.
I disagree- we’ll all be in one Accord
No, that's an incorrect spelling; it's one A chord
Just duet. Which ties in to the matching Nike shoes earlier in the thread.
Like Crikey, Mikey, it’s Nike!
Wow! It is becoming more difficult as time goes on to know who to trust. I chose “Cynical” for a reason.
No but twisting and corruption of scripture is often used to bash Protestants.
Eze 29:10 Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia.
Eze 29:11 No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years.
Eze 29:12 And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries.
Eze 29:13 Yet thus saith the Lord GOD; At the end of forty years will I gather the Egyptians from the people whither they were scattered:
Eze 29:14 And I will bring again the captivity of Egypt, and will cause them to return into the land of Pathros, into the land of their habitation; and they shall be there a base kingdom.
Israel is His people. God has an irrevocable covenant with them. They are left behind to suffer the Beast in the Temple, but they will see Jesus and repent. Zech 13:6 tells of the Jews repentance as a nation in the Last Days. Zech 12:10 tell us the Jews are specifically given Grace. The whole purpose of His return is to save Israel from the armies from the north. The 144,000 are clearly Jews from the tribes as evangelists in the last days. The Rapture is the church going to Him, not the return of Christ to rule and reign on Earth.
To believe God has forgotten His people is the error. We are the ones that have been "adopted" into God's people. We are His people and He is our God, just as promised in Gen 12:1-3. The Jews are a special people to God, always have been, always will be. Just read all of Zechariah and you will see that it was God's plan from the beginning to blind the Jews so we could be saved and He would reveal Himself in the Last Days to save them. It's clear that God is speaking of the nation of Israel and not just Christians as His church. Some have said that since Jesus came "Israel" means the church. Israel means Israel. When the separation of Goats and Sheep comes, He is speaking of judging the nations about how they treated Israel, not about believing and non believing people. This is why it is absolutely imperative we support Israel in America.
That is what you should have taken away when Ted Cruz was booed last week when he mentioned Israel. He absolutely did the right thing by leaving. We are in GREAT DANGER by even having Obama as president right now as I believe the "Last Days" are VERY close and it is CLEAR that he doesn't respect Israel. Revelations tells us Jesus will rule with an "iron rod" those NATIONS that rejected Israel. We have personal salvation, but there will also be judgement on the nations. It has always been a contentious subject, but IMO, The AntiChrist will be revealed in the Temple 3 1/2 years after peace agreement is signed between the Jews and Pali's. We will be saying "Peace and safety" for 1260 days and he will say, in the Temple, "I am God" you must worship me. I believe the Rapture will happen then. The "foolish virgins" will be left behind to suffer great persecution, but they can be saved if they reject the Mark, or die from beheading. That is the sound crying from under the alter for vengeance. When Israel is surrounded and there is no more hope of escape, Jesus, and His raptured church will return to save Israel and reign from Jerusalem for 100 years.
There are so many parables an Biblical warnings for Christians to Not be a foolish virgin or a disobedient servant and miss the train outta here, there is no excuse. The whole book of Song of Solomon is about Jesus knocking on the door of a sleeping church trying to get them to come OUT and receive blessing, but almost no one preaches on it for fear of saying something "vulgar". Jesus is going to get married to a Bride, not come to make friends. Would you marry an acquaintance? Everyone should think back how it was when they were about to marry. You married the person who called you every 10 minutes and wrote silly notes to you that you dare not share with even your family. The "passion" had to be there or you wouldn't have risked marriage. That is why they call it "The Passion of Christ" when speaking of His crucifixion.
To find out if you will be in the Rapture or be left behind to suffer, just look at your passion and decide if you would marry you, in the last day. You cannot be double minded or serve two masters. The Jews that have worshiped the God of Abraham from the beginning will be saved by His Grace. To some Jews, it is a racial thing and they are atheists. Israel will be saved. I trust His judgement.
Yeah, God is trying to make up His mind before doing something.
He’s just pondering and pondering because He is so unsure of Himself.
Apparently so!
I'm less concerned about how he returns to earth, be it in a spaceship, on a cloud or beamed down by Scottie or otherwise. I only want it to happen soon.
It doesn't. That was my point. Those who think that Isreal is now the church will never get prophesy right. The writer of the article obviously thinks that Isreal is now the church or he would have understood what happens in Egypt is after the body of Christ (the church) is taken from this earth. The rapture will happen prior to the anti Christ making the peace agreement with Isreal. The bride will be secluded with Christ for that week of years just as the bride and groom are secluded for one week in a traditional Hebrew marriage ceremony.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
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