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To: babygene

I suppose ‘discovered’ is probably not the best word to use in this context, ‘revealed’ might be better. That is one of the reasons the process is so tedious. Although during the evidence phase of my annulment, which I had pursued based on my spouse’s lack of preparation/disposition, I did ‘discover’ that I was also completely unprepared and not properly disposed to receive the Sacrament, something I should have realized at the time but truly didn’t.

All marriages, even failed ones, are considered by the Catholic Church to have been valid. The annulment process requires proof that one or both parties were not properly disposed/prepared/mature etc. at the time of the wedding. There are many different grounds for recognizing a marriage as null, but the key question is whether or not something caused the Sacrament to NOT occur, because if it did not, then the marriage is not valid (if between two baptized Christians). Catholic marriage involves the spouses conferring the Sacrament on each other, it does not come from the priest, so if one or the other was unable to receive or give the Sacrament, then it does not attach.

If the Sacrament did not attach, then the two were not ‘joined by God’, and there was actually nothing to be ‘put asunder’, which is why it is not a ‘Catholic Divorce’, it is recognition that the Sacramental marriage never actually took place.

I’m not exactly sure what you mean by the ‘two to tango’ remark, but annulment only requires that one spouse was deficient in some way, and the marriage is null, because if one didn’t receive the Sacrament, neither did.

O2


71 posted on 09/21/2014 3:49:58 PM PDT by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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To: omegatoo
Well said.

Jesus said that marriage is indissoluble, but His statement begs the question of what constitutes a valid marriage.

75 posted on 09/21/2014 3:59:10 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: omegatoo

“I’m not exactly sure what you mean by the ‘two to tango’ remark, but annulment only requires that one spouse was deficient in some way, and the marriage is null, because if one didn’t receive the Sacrament, neither did.”

That’s what I meant.

By the way... I have been married for going on 47 years. I was 21 at the time. There’s no way I knew what the heck I was doing back then. I was totally driven by my hormones at that age. In that respect it probably wasn’t a sacramental marriage. However it’s lasted this long, so what the heck.

Here’s a question for you if you care to offer an opinion.

Suppose an older couple, for financial reasons, decides it’s advantageous to get a civil divorce, while still living together as man and wife. What do you think the Church’s position on that would be?


78 posted on 09/21/2014 4:14:46 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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