Pope Orders Review of Annulment Process to Simplify Procedure

Reuters via Yahoo News ^ | 9/20/14

[Kackikat]

Only God can forgive sins or make things right, that is not a man’s (Priests or Pastors) right.

So the BS is not in God’s word or my friends comment years ago, it is in the Catholic Church’s presumption that they are the forgivers and annulment givers. The Ten Commandments begin in #1 “There shall have NO other Gods before me....etc”

I’m not saying we don’t ‘confess our sins one to another’ but the word Priest isn’t in that scripture. Only that confessing to other Christians and through our own prayers and requests is grace given....it’s called repentance.

[LurkingSince'98]

whatever

why do you care what us Catholics do or don’t do and believe or not believe?

I am Catholic and I choose to follow my faith and its dogmas and tenets.

I don’t care one jot about what you think or believe - and it takes a lot of hubris on your part to think what you believe has any bearing on what Catholics believe.

try butting out of our faith....

For the Greater Glory of God

[CynicalBear]

>>try butting out of our faith....<<

Then keep it to yourself and stop trying to convince others that the Catholic Church is better than others. Keep telling us how yours is the only one and you will get told why its not.

[CynicalBear]

You mean like when non Casholics have to show Catholics that their church says they worship the same god as Muslims and that their church admits they incorporate paganism?

[metmom]

A civil marriage by itself is NOT considered valid by the Catholic Church, but children of these marriages are still legitimate because legitimacy is a civil, not religious designation. The idea of a civil or non-Catholic marriage being ‘blessed’ by the Church is a misconception. These couples (after proper preparation) actually have to marry each other again, although Church-wise it is really the first time since they didn’t receive the Sacrament before.

IOW, the Catholic church doesn't recognize a non-Catholic marriage, therefore all non-Catholics marriages are just people living in sin.

That is the only option if it's not a legitimate marriage or not recognized as a marriage.

[metmom]

try butting out of our faith....

Then y'all need to mind your own business and stop telling everyone who is not Catholic that they're going to hell, and that if they're not married in a Catholic church it's not a valid marriage and that they're living in sin.

When Catholic quit passing judgment on others, then others will live and let live as well.

As long as Catholics in their spiritual pride, judge and condemn others for not following the OTC, then they're going to hear different.

[LurkingSince'98]

I never said that every one who is not Catholic is going to hell - just folks who spread anti-Catholic disinformation.

so if the shoe fits - wear it.

AMDG

[metmom]

Catholics have been repeating the Nicean Creed since 325 AD (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11049a.htm) and the Athanasian Creed since the late 360s AD. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02033b.htm)

So what?

Jesus spoke against vain repetition.

And reciting creeds means nothing.

It matters little what any pope, bishop or other Catholic says of or about our faith or what they ‘think’ we should believe it the Creed, Dogma and Catechism of the Catholic Church that counts.

YOUR pope kissing the koran. Fits right in with YOUR Catechism of the Catholic church.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330

If pope Francis wants to kiss some islamist behind it makes no difference to what our faith is. In fact, in past centuries there have been a fair number of popes who tired to appease the islamists before Pope Urban II in 1095 AD said enough was enough and really kicked off the Crusades to stop the pillaging islamists.

So Cynic you can post quote after quote and no matter what it still won’t change our faith.

More's the pity.

Stuff like the above NEEDS to be changed.

Otherwise the islaminsts have won.

[af_vet_1981]

IOW, the Catholic church doesn't recognize a non-Catholic marriage, therefore all non-Catholics marriages are just people living in sin. That is the only option if it's not a legitimate marriage or not recognized as a marriage.

False; The Catholic Church recognizes marriages between similar baptized Protestants; two Lutherans in a Lutheran church, two Baptists in a Baptist church, etc., but it will not recognize mixed marriages nor those of a Catholic, lapsed or otherwise, that does not check first with the Church that the marriage is permissible under NT and Canon law, or something to that effect. The shepherds do not want the sheep to be led astray into sin and trouble. Catholics need to marry in the Church or get permission for exceptions.

[CynicalBear]

>>Dogma and Catechism of the Catholic Church that counts.<<

I noticed metmom posted the CCC that applies so I'll just once again say that it's non Catholics that need to show what the CC has as an "official" position.

>>PS your knowledge of the Catholic Church, which has been around since the beginning is wide as you mouth and an inch deep.<<

Given you evidently didn't know the CCC includes the "same god" statement and I did well....

>>If you spent as much time espousing your own faith, <<

I've posted scripture as my beliefs and let them speak for themselves.

You can recite all the rote creeds you want but the Catholic "walk talk" is louder then their talk talk.

[omegatoo]

Technically, yes, a non-sacramental marriage between baptized people is considered invalid. This is what Catholics believe. Non-Catholics don’t submit to Catholic Church authority, that is what makes them non-Catholics, so what the Catholic Church thinks of their marriages should not be a concern. Catholics, however, should not marry except in the Church or with necessary dispensations.

O2

[Kackikat]

I am not Catholic, but I understand why you replied to me. I have nothing against Catholics, only that FR seems to be constantly bombarded with long religious pro Catholic theology. I have to scroll down through that stuff to get to the next comment.

In the past 10 years I have endured pages of Catholic dogma over and over, and when the Annulment process comes up on a thread about the Pope making changes, my three comments of Christian views from the Bible are attacked as ‘butt out of their religion’. As far as I am concerned I don’t mind doing that, if they quit the long regular theology pages of why we are sinners.

Thanks Metmom...you are right on.

[ebb tide]

>>The priest doesn’t forgive sins either. Only God does that.<<

That’s not true; sounds like something a Protestant would say.

If the priest does not forgive sins, there’s no reason to for the Sacrament of Confession. It’s up to the priest to forgive sins in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. The priest does have God’s authority and the priest does forgive sins.

>>Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.<< John 20:23

I’m sorry I had to quote YOU something from the Bible.

[metmom]

I just courtesy pinged you.

[metmom]

If the priest does not forgive sins, there’s no reason to for the Sacrament of Confession.

Exactly!

But the problem is, if there's no need for a priest to hear confession, they're out a job.

Better to keep people thinking that they have to go to a priest. It's job security.

And why is it not needed? Because God Himself forgives us our sins.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

[pbear8]

You are required to have a well-formed conscience, in must be in accordance with Church teaching, your opinion does not enter into the equation.

Catholics seek to inform their consciences according to reason and revelation as guided by Church teachings. They believe that by "their faith, aroused and sustained by the Spirit of truth, the People of God, guided by the sacred teaching authority (magisterium), and obeying it, receives not the mere word of human beings, but truly the word of God." (Vatican II, The Church (1964), §12). It is to the pope and the bishops that this teaching authority is entrusted.

[af_vet_1981]

Sometimes having a pope can be somewhat problematic as well. No one is infallible on any subject. No one.

So you hold that Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, was not infallible on what he taught the Gentiles by word and letter.