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To: Talisker; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
Interestingly, so many "Christians" choose to believe damnation versus salvation is a matter of if someone got some aspect of theology wrong, rather than what they got right. Which is pretty amazing, since Jesus put so much emphasis on forgiveness, and focusing on the good in people rather than the bad,

That is an exceedingly superficial analysis, as the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures spends much press on that aspect of theology which you marginalize.

On one side you have a system which fosters faith/dependance upon itself, its preeminence and power, its merits and morality, and one's own merit, for salvation. Beginning with teaching that sprinkling makes one good enough to enter Heaven, and thus usually ending with becoming good to enter Heaven (and atone for sins) via suffering torments in "purgatory, " commencing at death.

Out of which the church can bail you out of earth thru her "indulgences," while complete cooperation with her sacramental system enables one to be good enough and atone for sins to enter Heaven non-stop.

And which cooperation includes consuming human flesh and blood in order to obtain spiritual life, dispensed by clergy distinctively titled "priests" since they instrumentally change bead and wine into this flesh and blood and offer it as an expiation for sins. And also means praying to departed souls, esp. a "queen of Heaven," who have Divine powers to hear virtually infinite amounts of mental prayer from earth addressed to them in Heaven. Among others things that are absolutely not seen in Scripture.

On that other hand is a faith that holds that God draws souls and opens their heart and grants repentant faith, (Jn. 6:44; 12:32; Acts 11:18; 16:14; Eph. 2:8,9) so that the redeemed come to God as souls damned for their works - not saved because of them - and destitute of any means or merit whereby they may escape their just and eternal punishment in Hell Fire and gain eternal life with God.

And thus with contrite heart cast their whole-hearted repentant faith upon the mercy of God in Christ, trusting the risen Divine Lord Jesus to save them by His sinless shed blood.

And whose faith is thus counted as righteousness, (Rm. 3:9 - 5:1; Ps. 34:18) but it is a faith that will follow Him, with such works justifying one as being a believer, (Heb. 6:9; Ja. 2:18) and fit to be rewarded under God's grace, who rewards God-given faith (Heb. 10:35) in recognition of what it effects.

Thus the postmortem place or condition of all true believers y describes is with the Lord. (Luke 23:43; Acts 7:59; 1Cor. 15:52; 2 Cor 5:8; 1 Th 4:17; 1Jn. 3:2), in whose presence there is fulness of joy (Ps. 16:11). To God be the glory.

The former system fosters perfunctory professions or cultic devotion to a particular church, supposing they were born of God as an infant (usually), and thus are never called to come to Lord Jesus as a contrite damned + destitute sinner, and personally trust Him to save them as such, but trust that the balance of their goodness and the power of their church will eventually gain them entrance to Heaven.

And thus as their church uses the sword of men to persecutes and slay those of the latter faith, or others, or when (having lost said sword) it becomes effectively liberal, then the majority of her adherents do also.

The latter fosters a personal relationship with the Lord of the Bible, and Scripture as being the supreme authority as being the assured word of God, and which transcends outward "tribalism," so that the soul is to leave liberal churches when they critically depart from true faith, and follow the Lord Jesus in any case. Thus evangelicals are far more unified in basic conservative beliefs than Catholics.

30 posted on 09/21/2014 6:50:39 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

That was a beautifully written protestation of faith, and I than you for sharing it.

But my observations were not superficial. In fact, I believe I pointed out what millions of people reject all of Christianity over, and what Jesus also made His primary focus: the criteria of judgement being what was done right, rather than what was done wrong. Of how to argue a soul is saved over how to argue a soul is damned. And I don’t see that emphasis in either Protestantism or Catholicism.

And neither do liberals. And though I’m not a liberal, I do see their rage at Christianity for all of its damnation. Christians argue that liberals are immature, and they are, but the question is whether they are driven away from Christianity because of errors in Christian teachings. I believe they are.

Jesus declared the greatest commandment. That is a status that has been rejected by every Christian denomination. And that, I believe, is the great sin of Christianity. Jesus wasn’t giving advice in declaring the greatest commandment AS the greatest commandment - He was giving a warning. And that warning has been universally rejected. Instead it is treated as one teaching among many, rather than the one that trumps all others if challenged.

IMO, liberals are the result.


31 posted on 09/21/2014 12:36:52 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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