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To: Boogieman
>>If so, then what is the point of God revealing all three to us<<

All three are of the same mind. One God, three persons. What the Holy Spirit is doing is what God the Father is doing through the Spirit. You seem to be trying to separate them which cannot be done.

Saying that I thought you were not listening to the Holy Spirit was not meant to be an insult. I simply took your comments at face value about not needing the Holy Spirit to do "mundane tasks". My point was that if you realized that those tasks are indeed often directed by the Holy Spirit. Everything that happens in our life is for a purpose whether its learning to read or whatever. We are put in this place at this point in history for a reason. It is only through cooperation with the Holy Spirit that we can fully realize what God's purpose for our life is. If He didn't need us to read for that purpose to be realized the opportunity to learn to read would not have been given us.

323 posted on 09/18/2014 7:59:55 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decideIf I need to locate a verse, do I ask thed to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

“You seem to be trying to separate them which cannot be done.”

No, I am not trying to separate them. I am saying that God is rational, He does things for a reason, so if He wrote separate verses, speaking of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit separately, doing different things, then it must have been for a reason.

If you ignore that fact, not only are you implicitly asserting that God is irrational, you are risking misinterpreting the verses, and you are also risking stepping into heresy (monarchianism).

“Saying that I thought you were not listening to the Holy Spirit was not meant to be an insult. I simply took your comments at face value about not needing the Holy Spirit to do “mundane tasks”. My point was that if you realized that those tasks are indeed often directed by the Holy Spirit.”

This is not the context of the discussion I have been having though. I have never said that we don’t need the Holy Spirit. Let me restate the issue, again, to try to clarify. There are two competing assertions:

a) We cannot arrive at a spiritual understanding of the Bible without the Holy Spirit.

and

b) We can arrive at a spiritual understanding of the Bible through the Holy Spirit alone.

Those are two different ideas, and one is illogical and demonstrably false. I believe in a, but not in b.

(Of course I must make the exception of special cases where some may receive some direct, special revelation from God. Other than those, in the general sense, b is false)


343 posted on 09/18/2014 8:30:49 PM PDT by Boogieman
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