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To: metmom; narses

To metmom; You comment: No denomination is the *one true church*.

I disagree and Jesus stated: “every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand” ( Matthew 12:25 ).

That the Church which Christ instituted for man’s salvation must be one in the strict sense of the term just explained, is already evident from its very nature and purpose; truth is one, Christ revealed the truth and gave it to His Church, and men are to be saved by knowing and following the truth. But the essential unity of the true Christian Church is also explicitly and repeatedly declared throughout the New Testament :

Speaking of His Church, the Saviour called it a kingdom, the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of God ( Matthew 13:24, 31, 33 ; Luke 13:18 ; John 18:36 );
He compared it to a city the keys of which were entrusted to the Apostles ( Matthew 5:14 ; 16:19 ),
to a sheepfold to which all His sheep must come and be united under one shepherd ( John 10:7-17 );
to a vine and its branches,
to a house built upon a rock against which not even the powers of hell should ever prevail ( Matthew 16:18 ).
Moreover, the Saviour, just before He suffered, prayed for His disciples, for those who were afterwards to believe in Him — for His Church — that they might be and remain one as He and the Father are one ( John 17:20-23 ); and
He had already warned them that “every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand” ( Matthew 12:25 ).

These words of Christ are expressive of the closest unity.

St. Paul likewise insists on the unity of the Church.


179 posted on 09/14/2014 11:53:40 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM; metmom
>>That the Church which Christ instituted for man’s salvation must be one in the strict sense of the term just explained,<<

And most assuredly would not include one that incorporates paganism as I have shown you the Catholic Church admittedly does.

186 posted on 09/14/2014 12:22:42 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: ADSUM

The church is an organism, not an organization.

It is unified in the Holy Spirit.

No religious organization is Christ’s one true church. His body is all believers throughout the church age who have put their trust in Him, no matter where they worship.


205 posted on 09/14/2014 1:36:26 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ADSUM
I disagree and Jesus stated: “every kingdom divided against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand” ( Matthew 12:25 ).

There are at least hundreds of true independent local churches that are in doctrinal agreement and have fellowship because their focus is Christ, His Scriptures untainted, preacing His Gospel and His sovereign love of/to His subjects, and making, baptizing, and indoctrinating disciples in the doctrine of separation from the unclean thing. They stand apart from the error of supra-local extrabibical government and the Nicolaitan error of a clergy class overruling the remaining non-clergy adherents by the method of terrorizing its adherents with exaggerated erudition and idolatrous edifices--a denomination whose focus is on ritualism and an error-soaked self-contradicting catechism.

Speaking of His Church, the Saviour called it a kingdom, the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of God

The Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of The God are not one and the same, and they are not any one church. The Kingdom of Heaven is of this world, is visible, an is composed now of both tares and wheat: that is, it is impure, containing both unregenerated believers whose end will be the Lake of Fire, whereas the Kingdom of God/Christ is not of this world. It is the general panegyric (festal) assembly of angels and redeemed ones, the sommoned conclave of The Firstborn From The Dead (Jesus) consisting of, and only of, regenerated discipled believer-preists, the saved of earth. Your description is flawed.

That the Church which Christ instituted for man’s salvation must be one in the strict sense of the term just explained

The churches were not made for the salvation of men. It is the recruitment and training of disciples by sound exposition of God's word that was instituted for the salvation of humans (Rom. 10:17). The local assembly was instituted as a vehicle for coordinating essential activities of strengthening those redeemed members, AFIK (Eph. 4:11-16).

He compared it to a city the keys of which were entrusted to the Apostles ( Matthew 5:14 ; 16:19 ),

That's a stretch. The keys are the preaching of the Gospel of salvation through Christ's substitutionary death, resurrection, and offering of His Blood on the True Mercy Seat in Heaven to make reconciliation, buy which He opened the door to Heaven for any soul who is convicted, repents, and persistently commits total trust ib Christ and His Faith. The keys were not uniquely and solely given ti Simon Peter: they are given to every redeemed person who is expected to unlock the mysteries of the Gospel to all who will hear.

to a sheepfold to which all His sheep must come and be united under one shepherd ( John 10:7-17 );

And that is in Heaven, not on earth, and that fold is not the RCC (Col: 3:1-4, Phil. 3:20)

to a vine and its branches,

A church, or any church is not the vine. This is a misapplication of who/what the vine is. He is The true vine, and true believers are the branches. There is no blending of other personhoods wit His Person.

to a house built upon a rock against which not even the powers of hell should ever prevail ( Matthew 16:18 ).

You are conflating the application of Mt. 7:24 in which the deed is hearing Jesis' sayings and doing tem, where the house is the works and the foundation rock is a similitude of Christ Himself. In Mt. 16:18 the rock is the statement of Peter given him by the Father, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God, Grammatically, the rock there cannot be Peter, nor does it reflect his social instability and unreliability.

Moreover, the Saviour, just before He suffered, prayed for His disciples, for those who were afterwards to believe in Him — for His Church — that they might be and remain one as He and the Father are one ( John 17:20-23 );

Jesus' Heavenly Church is and always has been in union, the visible ones have not been, esp the RCC.

St. Paul likewise insists on the unity of the Church.

By emphasizing the doctrine of separation from idolatry and heresy (2 Cor 6:14-7:1, 11:3-4; Gal. 1:6-9; Phil. 3:17-19. As a few examples of misinterpretation and misapplication, all well-known of the Magusterium. Rell us, instead of this, how you intend to conduct Scriptural preaching on sin, salvtion, and sanctification, rather than just condemning those who believe ib Dola Scriptura, sole fide, and Providential preservation of the Bible through the conduct of hundreds of local churches according to the Great Commission's command to keep watchfully secure without change whatsoever Christ has commanded (Mt. 28:20)?

248 posted on 09/15/2014 4:24:45 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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