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To: Carpe Cerevisi; JSteff
If you don't submit to papal authority, and you call yourself a Catholic then you aren't a Catholic.

No true Scottsman fallacy. I have Catholic relatives who believe in and practice abortion. They have not been excommunicated. They openly advocate communism and radical feminism, even to the extent of identifying Mary as the co-redemptrix with Christ as an expression of that feminism. They regard Paul as a cranky old misogynist without authority in their lives. And they are Catholics in good standing with the Church, and will remain so, in practice, until the Church disciplines them. I'm not holding my breath. They are not the outliers in their context. Us cranky Bible-thumpers are the outliers.

Peace,

SR

77 posted on 09/12/2014 5:54:31 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer
No true Scottsman fallacy. I have Catholic relatives who believe in and practice abortion. They have not been excommunicated.

actually it is automatic, there is no need for a formal declaration.

90 posted on 09/12/2014 6:57:57 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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