Posted on 09/11/2014 12:08:50 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
You send me to a site which claims beliefs built on assumptions and speculation? “Aparrently” there were no bones? “ ended her life in Jerusalem, or perhaps in Ephesus”? Or maybe she didn’t even die? Peters remains under the alter when we now may have actual evidence that isn’ true. Catholics have beliefs based on the words of fallible men and conjecture. Rely on them if you wish. True believers will stand on the words of God alone.
“True believers will stand on the words of God alone.”
Your variety of true believer stands on a selected few of the words of God, and rejects many gifts that God answers.
Some people, it would seem, are not capable of reviewing evidence against their positions with an honest, enquiring mind.
CCC 424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.
“CCC 424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.”
You seem to think there is some conflict there. There isn’t.
And isn't it case law that got us so far from the constitution?
Exactly the problem. It's not as though there is no place for developing consensus among believers for how to proceed in a new area. What is absent from the New Testament model for such deliberation is the supposed need for a single monolithic human infrastructure that can bind believers into things that have no basis in Scripture. Unlike our earthly Constitution, the Author of our Divine Constitution is the living God, who not only puts the book in our hands but also dispenses His Holy Spirit as a tutor to all who put their trust in Jesus.
This is one of the main reasons the New Covenant was to be so much superior to the Old Covenant: They shall all be taught of God. No longer are we to be subservient to a mediatorial class. We are no longer mere servants in the house of God but sons and daughters who have the ear of our Father. We benefit from teachers in the body of Christ, yes, that is one of the blessed gifts the Spirit gives us. But if we are to take seriously that Christ truly is our only Master, our only Rabbi, then it is not only possible but it is our duty to learn from Him, and not turn our teachers into idols by which we avoid our own personal responsibility to grow in the kind of faith and righteousness that can only come from rubbing shoulders with Christ Himself:
Act 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
Peace,
SR
Cut to close to the truth did I?
2 John 1:9 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Please show where Christ or the apostles taught the assumption of Mary.
Right - the church was built on what Yashua said to Peter not to build a building in Rome.
Geeze - Petros (Peter) means rock. Yashua asked Peter (the rock) who do men say I am? Peter answered “You are the Christ” and Yashua answered “You are the rock and on this I will build my church” - Yashua was saying that He being the Christ - Messiah - who rose from the dead that that was the foundation of the church (church being people not buildings). That’s the rock of Christianity - Yashua rose from the dead and that those that believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. It had nothing to do with building a building in Rome.
Not that it means one thing to you, here’s what St. Paul said.
Paul illustrated what tradition is: “For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures. . . . Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed” (1 Cor. 15:3,11). The apostle praised those who followed Tradition: “I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you” (1 Cor. 11:2).
Please show proof that the "traditions" the Catholic Church claims actually did come from the apostles.
There is no malice in my heart. I was simply correcting a fellow Catholic's incorrect understanding of Church authority from post #4.
The Catholic Church has the teaching authority of the Bible. The reason: Catholics compiled the Bible, decided what would go in the Bible and have safeguarded the truth for the last 2,000 years. Not the baptists, not the methodists, not the presbyterians, not the Mormans. The Catholic Church came before the gospels. The Bible is a Catholic Document and scripture and tradition are taught side by side. Take it up with the Pope.
Spare me your Catholic-hating websites.
Every time you open the Bible you have that proof. There is no Divine table of contents. If you accept the NT over the OT alone, you have the Catholic Churches Traditions to thank. It was the Jewish people that refused to accept the NT. It was the Catholic Church that chose the books in the NT.
Then spare us your Catholic propaganda.
See post 134
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