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To: Redmen4ever
Do you see the last three words of the verse you have been basing everything on? DOERS. Jesus himself says his mother and his brothers are those hear and DO the word of God.

That has nothing to do with the conversation...

As to the idea that he disowned his mother via this verse, it is preposterous.

Are you hearing strange voices in your head??? You didn't hear (read) me saying anything like that...

We also know that his brothers took some time to come around to accepting him as the Messiah, but they did, and they were crucified for the faith.

You must have a different bible than the ones I have...That's not in any of my bibles...

What good works have you performed relative to the martyrs, that you say they were rejected by Jesus as not being his spiritual brothers.

I'm trying to show you the truth of the scriptures...I'm sure God appreciates that...

839 posted on 09/16/2014 6:30:48 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool

The following considers the strength of the evidence, it ranges from as certain as anything can be that occurred so long ago, to questionable in the sense of few or no primary records and contradicting secondary records.

https://www.reclaimingthemind.org/content/Parchmentandpen/DeathoftheApostles.pdf

With regard to our conversation, I accept your clarification that you never intended to imply that a person merely had to “be” a spiritual brother and that it is important to be a doer. If you sincere in this clarification, then the martyrdom of Jesus’ brothers is strong testimony that they were spiritual brothers. At least, this seems logical to me.

I accept, by your non-reply, that Jesus certainly never rejected his mother.

With regard to showing me the truth of the Bible, one source of truth is the consistency of what’s in the Bible with other records. In the context of this conversation, the evidence - again ranging from very strong in some cases to somewhat speculative in other cases - of the martyrdom of the apostles. If the Jesus story had been made up, why would these men have put themselves at the risk of martyrdom?

Perhaps you know the origin of the word martyr. But, it it reassuring, every know and then, to remind yourself of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyr


876 posted on 09/16/2014 7:28:24 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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