[JPX2011]

It’s an objective fact that can be seen by anyone.

Is it now? Seems to me that for anyone to make such a charge they have to make a huge assumption by imputing motive to the person doing the bowing. Or in FR parlance: mind reading.

In any event I think this is all covered under the first commandment. My list says the second covers taking the lord's name in vain. Somewhere along the way the order and content got switched. So, unless the Catholic bowing to a statue is worshiping the material the statue is made of or deifying the individual represented, I think we're okay. Thanks though.

[metmom]

Bowing is bowing and forbidden by God, in the Ten Commandments. Even if the Catholic church DID edit them for its own convenience.

[metmom]

Is it now? Seems to me that for anyone to make such a charge they have to make a huge assumption by imputing motive to the person doing the bowing.

No, it doesn't. Because the commandment isn't about motive, it's about actions.

God says do not make an image and do not bow down to it.

The actions posted are both having made an image and bowing down before it.

Motive does not come into it.

I'm making no assumptions about their motive. I can see their actions.

[metmom]

Exodus 20:4-5 Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me:

So for all those Catholics who admit that they *adore* Mary, even while they deny worshiping her, they are STILL breaking the second commandment.

[Rides_A_Red_Horse]

So, unless the Catholic bowing to a statue is worshiping the material the statue is made of or deifying the individual represented, I think we’re okay.

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“You shall not make for yourselves idols, nor shall you set up for yourselves an image or a sacred pillar, nor shall you place a figured stone in your land to bow down to it; for I am the LORD your God.”

Is it a “figured stone?” Do you “bow down to it?”

Do you understand what God said about this?

It really isn’t very complicated.