Naval Position
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Posted on 09/11/2014 11:19:06 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
Naval Position
Today's celebration more resembles the practices God condemned in Leviticus. The rituals of Simiramis and the 40 day fast for tamuz. The sunrise service to the sun.
Well, it's not THEIR fault that Catholics don't defend their faith. If you think the number of Catholics here to defend their faith is not enough, take it up with your fellow Catholics.
.you are quite near to having no Catholics responding (getting slapped down) and presenting themselves to be bashed.
So what's with that? They don't think their faith is worth defending?
How is that management's fault?
Besides, wearing the martyr complex doesn't work well when Catholics whine about being *persecuted*.
Try getting fed to the lions and then get back to us about how the RF compares.
Amazing to see you admonish one of the few Catholics who post a defense to an attack and NOTHING to the outrageous posts on this thread from the other side... completely outrageous posts... filled with vitriol, hate and lies.
If someone posts something inaccurate, post a rebuttal without calling them *heretics*, *anti*, *bigot*, *hater*, *ignorant*, or whatever other pejorative Catholics like to sling at non-Catholics.
According to the RF you are free to do that.
So what lies have been posted about Catholicism that you would like to set the record straight on? What outrageous posts are you referring to specifically, instead of just throwing out vague generalizations?
You could start on addressing all the dead people stuff that Catholics engage in. Are the images that caww is posting inaccurate?
I would never speak of my Protestant friends as these here have spoken of Catholics in this thread. To respond in kind to them would be a sin.
Nice backdoor way of accusing someone of sin.
Judgment passed duly noted.
Being the older generation is not any fun’. We had it made and did not realize it. For a number of months I have been very, very teary eyed and I do not understand it. I am living in a townhouse while we decide what to do with my house which needs a lot of work done on it. I was over there a few weeks ago sitting in my patio swing. I just started boohooing. Had to leave. Told a friend and he said you should have been remembering the good times. Hello. That was what made me cry. We moved there in 1977 so I have many, many wonderful memories plus sad ones too. Losing my daughter, brother, husband, bil and mom in less than 3 years has been very rough at times. But, I am so blessed to have a daughter, sil, 2 great grandchildren and 2 beautiful great granddaughers. I am just sad that the little ones will never know their great aunt and great grandfather. They were very special people. : (
It’s not the same thing at all and I don’t think any reasonable person would think so.
What to you purpose people do then if not bury them?
Throw the bodies out back and let them rot in the sun?
Same here. I was born in 1948 and it's a different world today.
A Celtic Cross
The Origin of Crossing Your Fingers for Luck
The custom of crossing your fingers for good luck is fairly common. Superstition states that the act of crossing one's index and middle fingers brings good luck and wards off evil spirits or witches. While the origins of this gesture are somewhat murky, it is commonly believed that the sign originated from early Christianity or pre-Christianity. While there is no solid proof of any one theory, the prevalence of crossing your fingers in cultures with a Christian background lends some credence to the claim. This idea is further supported by noting that the gesture is not common among Muslim or Buddhist cultures.
Some historians contend that this gesture pre-dates Christianity and was an early European device. Those who believed in sacred geometry thought that benign spirits lived at the intersection of crosses. These believers would extend their index fingers to make wishes. One person held out his or her finger and made the wish. The second person responded by crossing the finger with his or her own, showing support for the idea and invoking the benign spirits.
The theory of a Christian origin of crossing your fingers is based on early periods in the religion's history. During these early times, Christianity was an outlawed religion and the disciples of Christ usually formed a secret society. To protect the identity of the sect's followers, secret hand signs were developed so the members could recognize each other.
Presumption? Are you kidding me. We have the guarantee of the Holy Spirit. It don't get no more solid than that.
Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
That's how you treat your family members?
Or are you going to set the example and have it done to yourself that way?
BTW, there are laws about disposing of dead bodies, presumably to prevent the spread of disease as the decaying body seeps into the water table.
Great way to help the poor. Then people can spend all their money paying for their health care which will cost more in the long run than a decent, sanitary burial.
Way to go......
What a great money management.
I actually have told my family that’s what I want, and on my own land. No embalming, a sheet, and maybe a cardboard box.
I don’t want someone digging me up a hundred years from now and marveling how long my hair and nails have grown. That strikes me as weird.
Dust to dust.
You’re making that up.
You know why there’s a sunrise service on Easter Sunday morning.
ngtia:Presumption, it’s not good for the soul.
No. Confidence and trust in the promises of God.
It's called *faith*. Believing that what God said is true.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 10:25-30 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”
1 Corinthians 1:4-8 I give thanks to my God always for you because of the grace of God that was given you in Christ Jesus,that in every way you were enriched in him in all speech and all knowledge—even as the testimony about Christ was confirmed among you—so that you are not lacking in any gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
2 Corinthians 5:4-8 For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Colossians 1:13-14 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Colossians 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
1 Peter 1:3-5 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3156607/posts?page=313#313
2 Corinthians 1:21-22 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
For which the Greek, from the Byzantine, is:
2Corinthians 1:21-22 ο δε βεβαιων ημας συν υμιν εις χριστον και χρισας ημας θεος ο και σφραγισαμενος ημας και δους τον αρραβωνα του πνευματος εν ταις καρδιαις ημων
The first word in bold above is “bebaion,” the idea of confirmation, frequently used in commercial settings to confirm a bargain. Which of course makes sense of the remaining terms used here, which are also elements of a secured contract.
The second word in bold above is “sphragisamenos,” being sealed is to be marked by the signature, signet ring, or other unique proof of identity, that we belong to God, and this sealing is done by God, who is the one taking action in this verse. We do not and cannot seal ourselves. We do not, by our own powers, have access to God’s “signet ring.”
The third bolded word above is “arrabona,” and indicates what we might loosely refer to as earnest money, but in Hebrew culture conveys more the idea of a pledge of covenant, a security given as a guarantee that the deal will go through, though we only receive part payment at the beginning. See ערב for the related Hebrew stem indicating “pledge.”
I was born in 1944, a sister in 1945 and a nephew in 1946. When my dr told my brother who was nearly 10 years older that he was not the baby anymore, he told the dr that he was the baby boy. A sister was born in 1926 and another brother was born in 1930. People use to argue with my mom that my younger sister and I were her granddaughters. Memories.
A brother is buried at the end of his runway on his farm. My other brother and I had a fence built around the grave. Memories again. He loved to fly. He was taking off one day and crash landed in a tree at the end of the runway. : ) He has a simple stone.
"The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.”[John Henry Newman]
"The missionary history of the [Catholic] Church clearly shows her adaptability to all races, all continents, all nations. In her liturgy and her art, in her tradition and the forming of her doctrine, naturally enough she includes Jewish elements, but also elements that are of pagan origin. In certain respects, she has copied her organization from that of the Roman Empire, has preserved and made fruitful the philosophical intuitions of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, borrowed from both Barbarians and the Byzantine Roman Empire—but always remains herself, thoroughly digesting all elements drawn from external sources...In her laws, her ceremonies, her festivals and her devotions, she makes use of local customs after purifying them and "baptizing" them." [Twentieth Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism]
But scripture says:
Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God:
I’m reinforcing my understanding why I didn’t get a sense of the Holy Spirit when I visited friends at a Methodist church.
Ezekiel 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. 16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. 17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here?
Ezekiel 8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz. 15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
"The reasons for celebrating our major feasts when we do are many and varied. In general, however, it is true that many of them have at least an indirect connection with the pre-Christian [pagan] feasts celebrated about the same time of year — feasts centering around the harvest, the rebirth of the sun at the winter solstice (now Dec. 21, but Dec. 25 in the old Julian calendar), the renewal of nature in spring, and so on." [The New Question Box - Catholic Life for the Nineties, copyright 1988 by John J. Dietzen, M.A., S.T.L., ISBN 0-940518-01-5 (paperback), published by Guildhall Publishers, Peoria Illinois, 61651., page 554.]
"So, no, our Lent does not date from the time of the Apostles. But apparently it was observed before the year 339. That's early enough." [Facts, Myths & Maybes (Everything You Think You Know About Catholicism But Perhaps Don't), by John Deedy, copyright 1993, published by Thomas More Press, page 235.]
"The Easter Fire is lit on the top of mountains (Easter mountain, Osterberg) and must be kindled from new fire, drawn from wood by friction (nodfyr); this is a custom of pagan origin in vogue all over Europe, signifying the victory of spring over winter. The bishops issued severe edicts against the sacrilegious Easter fires (Conc. Germanicum, a. 742, c.v.; Council of Lestines, a. 743, n. 15), but did not succeed in abolishing them everywhere. The Church adopted the observance into the Easter ceremonies, referring it to the fiery column in the desert and to the Resurrection of Christ; the new fire on Holy Saturday is drawn from flint, symbolizing the Resurrection of the Light of the World from the tomb closed by a stone (Missale Rom.). In some places a figure was thrown into the Easter fire, symbolizing winter, but to the Christians on the Rhine, in Tyrol and Bohemia, Judas the traitor (Reinsberg-D�ringfeld, Das festliche Jahr, 112 sq.)." [The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1909 edition, Vol.5, page 227, article "Easter".]
I could go on and on with examples. The Catholic Church indeed acknowledges that many of her beliefs and practices have no origin in scripture but come from pagan. The Church then supposedly baptizes them which they think makes them Christian. God said don't do that.
And when you can differentiate between what constitutes worship and not conflate that with your own personal sensibilities then you will understand.
Ahoy; Matey!!
Presumption, it’s not good for the soul.
Lack of bible knowledge; not good for street cred in the Religion Forum of FR.
1 John2:12
I am writing to you, dear children,
because your sins have been forgiven on account of his name.
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