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To: NKP_Vet

“The reason Dolan should resign is Dolan is not a Catholic. He renigged on that when he started giving communion to rabid pro-abortion politicians. Dolan also did nothing to slow down the Cuomo-led same sex “marriage” false in NY State. Cuomo also shacks up with his girlfriend in the Governors mansion but this does not bother Dolan in the least. He still gives him communion.”

This is probably a catholic thing I don’t understand, but I’ve always see the following statements on this site:

“Once a catholic, always a catholic.”
“A priest is always a priest.”

Are you saying someone can “unbecome” catholic in other ways than being formally kicked out? Is this your opinion, or a church practice?

Thanks.


20 posted on 09/10/2014 8:33:50 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
This is probably a catholic thing I don’t understand, but I’ve always see the following statements on this site: “Once a catholic, always a catholic.” “A priest is always a priest.” Are you saying someone can “unbecome” catholic in other ways than being formally kicked out? Is this your opinion, or a church practice? Thanks.

It once they may disallow one from being a true RC if needed to maintain the fantasy of a unified pure church, while claiming another is still a RC in order to maintain the fantasy of the power of her sprinkling.

21 posted on 09/10/2014 9:54:17 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Are you saying someone can “unbecome” catholic in other ways than being formally kicked out? Is this your opinion, or a church practice?

apostate: a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle.

synonyms: dissenter, defector, deserter, traitor, backslider, turncoat

24 posted on 09/10/2014 4:37:17 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
This is probably a catholic thing I don’t understand, but I’ve always see the following statements on this site:

“Once a catholic, always a catholic.” “A priest is always a priest.”

Are you saying someone can “unbecome” catholic in other ways than being formally kicked out? Is this your opinion, or a church practice?

It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

Anyone who was baptized in the Catholic Church is a Catholic forever, juridically, unless he leaves the Church by a formal act. The Sacrament of Baptism is permanent. A person may formally leave the Catholic Church, or leave Christianity entirely, or become an atheist, but he can never become an unbaptized person.

A priest is always a priest, because the Sacrament of Orders is permanent. But a priest can cease to be a cleric. Again, this is a juridical state, not sacramental. A priest may have been suspended, or he may be have been laicized, but he is still a priest. He is forbidden to celebrate any sacrament, with the exception of the Sacrament of Penance. If he comes upon a car accident, he has the same obligation as any priest to stop and hear the confession of any Catholic who may be in danger of death. Or, a person in danger of death has the option of sending the Pope out of the room, and making his confession to a laicized priest.

When people say that Dolan is "no longer a Catholic," they are not speaking juridically. They are saying that Dolan is not a believer. He has demonstrated too often that the content of the Catholic Faith is something he is interested in far less than popularity with the cool kids. The rich, the powerful, and the trendy. Obama, the New York Times, hot gay dudes. When people say Dolan is "not a Catholic" they are simply saying, as with the Kennedys, Biden, Pelosi, the Cuomos, or Cardinals Wuerl and O'Malley, that their claimed adherence to Catholic belief is an obscene mockery.

36 posted on 09/11/2014 10:17:45 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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