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To: OriginalChristian; RitaOK
The form of the mass has nothing to do with this.

Certainly it does. The forced extinction, practically, of the TLM for decades is one of the things that lead to withdrawn graces for the Catholic Church and the impropriety that followed, especially by American bishops and other ecclesiastics.

36 posted on 09/03/2014 12:25:52 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

It is more than the Mass. Vatican II wasn’t solely about the Mass.


43 posted on 09/03/2014 1:33:16 PM PDT by piusv
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To: steve86

The form of the mass is prescribed by the Church. There is no shortage or withholding of graces to the Church, the clergy, to you or to me related to the form of the mass. The first masses by the Apostles themselves were not said in Latin, Greek possibly, Aramaic certainly but not Latin. Surely you don’t believe that God ‘withdrew’ graces from the Apostles for using the vernacular language they understood for mass? Its no different with us where the TLM is concerned. I agree it should have ALWAYS been a valid, often used form. I don’t agree that whatever the Church decided to do with it diminishes the graces God sheds on the Church, not for a minute.


44 posted on 09/03/2014 1:34:07 PM PDT by OriginalChristian (The end of America, as founded, began when the first Career Politician was elected...)
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