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I know other christian groups and they may not accept Catholic ways but I’ve never heard them post such nonsense about our Catholic faith...stuns me actually...are they Christian?


809 posted on 09/08/2014 8:36:54 AM PDT by aimee5291
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I know other christian groups and they may not accept Catholic ways but I’ve never heard them post such nonsense about our Catholic faith..

Could you be more specific? Do you mean things like presenting the NT church as one that,

1. was established upon the premise of assured (if conditional) perpetual infallibility, having infallibly declared she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible?

2. was presided over by a pope the whole church looked to as it supreme infallible head in Rome, being taught that he was the "rock" of Mt. 16:18?

3. named apostolic successors after Judas (in order to keep the original number of apostles), and thus one must have been for the martyred apostle James (Acts 12:1,2) like Matthias was and after that manner (Acts 1:15ff)?,

4. had a separate sacerdotal class of believers titled "priests ," as they uniquely changed bread into human flesh and dispensing it to the masses to receive life in them and eternal life (as RCs claim in quoting Jn. 6:53,54 to us)?

5. had a hierarchical order of priests, bishops, Cardinals, etc., with ostentatious religious dress and titles, including "Most Reverend?"

6. required (with rare exceptions) clerical celibacy, which presumes all such have that gift?

7. taught incognizant (usually) souls were formally justified by interior holiness via sprinkling of water, and thus (usually) ended up in "purgatory" in order to become good enough (and atone for sins) to enter Heaven?

8. taught there was a separate class of believers called “saints,

9. prayed to the departed in Heaven, or angels, and before images?

10. and had apostles teaching Mary was born and kept sinless, and was a perpetual virgin?

11. was a church that conformed to this world in using papal sanctioned physical oppression torture, burning and death to deal with theological dissent

12. having lost that power, treats even notorious manifestly impenitent public sinners as members in life and in death, in contrast to the NT means of disfellowship and supernatural spiritual discipline?

13. was one whose members overall come in near last in things such as evangelism, commitment, and personal Bible reading, the latter which it hindered for a long time, and later sanctioned teaching multitudes for decades such things as that OT miraculous stories are fables or folktales, etc.?

14. teaches that the deity Muslims worship (not as unknown) is the same as theirs?

15. boasts of unity while discouraging objectively searching the Scriptures in order to ascertain the veracity of RC doctrine?

And in which souls believe such uncensored and often officially sanctioned teaching such as presents Mary as

an almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to,

whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"

and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain equality with the Heavenly Father,"

so that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

"surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"

including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources .

Could you tell men what i left out (i can)?

826 posted on 09/08/2014 1:18:59 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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