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To: editor-surveyor; delchiante

“He ignores all the words of Yeshua and his chief apostles to the contrary.”

No. That is the point. What Gill says is consistent with the text. What you claim is 180 out from the plain meaning of the text - which is why I posted the text, so anyone can see.

Hebrews 4:2 - “For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. 3 For we who have believed enter that rest...”

The Good News came to them, and Abraham was saved by his belief, as we are saved by ours.

“What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”

Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness...[Abraham] received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised.

The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.”


93 posted on 09/05/2014 12:17:11 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mr Rogers; delchiante

What you and your nicolaitans are trying to say makes God’s word contradict itself.

God’s word does not have any contradictions.

Torah is everything Yeshua and his apostles lived by and taught as the way of life.

Yeshua declared in Matthew 5 that Torah was to be unchanged, and in full effect until the Earth and Universe depart.

The apostles taught that only doers of Torah would be justified.

Satan’s nicolaitans teach that Torah and the Pharisees’ false torah were one and the same, so that they could assert that Torah was what was “hung on the cross,” and thus abolished.

That is false, and pure antinomianism.

Torah is the Way of Yeshua. It is the road map to his narrow gate. Adherence to Torah is the essence of faithfulness. Its transgression is the essence of sin. Those that abandon Torah are setting out deliberately on a life of sinful disobedience.

Those that love Yeshua would never think of dismissing the least commandment in Torah. John said that if you do not keep his commandments, you are not in him.

The nonsensical verbiage that you promote makes his word into a work of confusion, and is Satan’s best effort at defeating our chances at becoming Sons of God.

Do not continue to portray obedience to his commandments as “justification by works.” That lie belongs to your nicolaitan’s daddy.
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96 posted on 09/05/2014 3:03:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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