[wbarmy]

You are mixing “known: fraud and “unknown” fraud. The Heaven’s Gate and Jim Jones crowd died for something they thought was true. The Disciples would have been killed for something they KNEW was not true if Jesus was not who He said He was.

Huge difference to die for what you believe is true rather than what you know to be false.

[mlo]

"The Disciples would have been killed for something they KNEW was not true if Jesus was not who He said He was."

And if those disciples were just part of the story?