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Bishop Schneider Says Traditional Catholics Are Not “Extremest”, But Rather The Hope For The Future
Traditional Catholic Priest ^ | August 29, 2014 | Fr. Peter Carota

Posted on 08/31/2014 6:59:37 PM PDT by ebb tide

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Bishop Schneider Says Traditional Catholics Are Not “Extremest”, But Rather The Hope For The Future

Posted on August 29, 2014 by

Bishop Schneider had an interview published in the June 6th 2014 CatholicHerald.co.uk, “We Are In The Fourth Great Crisis Of The Church“.  If you have the time please read the whole great article.  Here I have attempted to only highlight the main points in the article.

schneiderIn his interview he said we are in the fourth great crisis of the Church.  This is spearheaded by the liberals in the Church who are collaborating with, what he calls, the “new paganism” and this is actually driving the Catholic Church towards a split.  In this collaboration, we see something like what happened with the fourth-century Arian heresy in which “a large part of the Church hierarchy was implicated”.

The root and cause of this crisis he says is “the “banal” and casual treatment of the Blessed Sacrament by clergy, including some of those in positions of authority, and the laity, who are going along with secular society.  

“The Eucharist is at the heart of the Church,” he said. “When the heart is weak, the whole body is weak.”  He strongly believes that receiving Holy Communion in hand contributes gradually to the loss of the belief in the Real Presence and in transubstantiation.  

It seems that the majority of the clergy and the bishops are content with this modern use of Communion in hand… For me this is incredible. How is this possible, when Jesus is present in the little Hosts?  There is the grievous fact of the loss of the Eucharistic fragments. And the fragments of the consecrated Host are crushed by feet. This is horrible! Our God, in our churches, is trampled by feet!  It is time that the bishops (should) raise their voices for the Eucharistic Jesus who has no voice to defend himself.  Here is an attack on the Most Holy, an attack on the Eucharistic faith.”

vaticanIIHe acknowledges that we have been in this crisis for the last 50 years, (Since Vatican II), with great confusion over doctrine and liturgy.  An example of this “confusion” is clear in the preparation of the Extraordinary Synod coming up this October in Rome:

“I think this issue of the reception of Holy Communion by the remarried will blow up and show the real crisis in the Church. The real crisis of the Church is anthropocentrism and the forgetting of Christo-centrism….  This is the deepest evil: 1) man, or the clergy, putting themselves in the centre when they are celebrating liturgy, (in some churches God, in the tabernacle, is put in a corner, while the priest takes centre stage), and 2) when clergy change the revealed truth of God, for instance, concerning the Sixth Commandment and human sexuality.”  (In this he is referring to homosexuals and divorced people living together or in a second marriage.)

He is very critical of trying to change Catholic pastoral practices, (like giving communion to people living in sin and then calling it mercy).  “This is a kind of sophism.  It is comparable to a doctor who gives a diabetic patient sugar, although he knows it will kill him.”

He says: “Unfortunately there were … members of the clergy and even bishops who put grains of incense in front of the statue of the emperor or of a pagan idol or who delivered the books of the Holy Scripture to be burned. Such collaborationist Christians and clerics were called in those times thurificati or traitors.  We also have those who collaborate, or are traitors of the Faith today”. Laurence_Martyrdom of_CAMPI, AntonioSt Lawrence’s Martyrdom

As a consequence of liberal clergy and laity, he see a split coming eventually.  “I can presume that such a separation will affect each level of Catholics: lay people and even not excluding the high clergy.”

He hopes that this split will eventually lead to a renewal of the Church in a traditional way.   The present “anthropocentric” [man-centred] clerical system will collapse. “This liberal clerical edifice will crash down because they have no roots and no fruits.”   There are hardly any vocations in any of the ordinary dioceses or religious orders.

Bishop Schneider warns that “traditional Catholics may, for a time, be persecuted or discriminated against, even at the behest of those who have “power in the exterior structures of the Church”.  All of us traditional Catholics are already badly persecuted by the people in power in the Church.  Each one of us can tell our own story.

schneiderIn the end, he says “The Supreme Magisterium” will restate clear doctrinal statement, and no longer will go along with neo-pagan world and ideas.  The lack of clarity in the documents of Vatican II has led to this confusion.

When asked if, as a bishop, it is difficult to speak out against what is happening in the Church, he said; “It is quite insignificant to be popular or unpopular. For every member of the clergy, their first interest should be to be popular in the eyes of God and not in the eyes of today or of the powerful. Jesus said a warning: ‘Woe to you when people speak well of you.’”  

He went on: “Popularity is false… Great saints of the Church, such as Thomas More and John Fisher, rejected popularity… those today who are worried about the popularity of the mass media and public opinion… will be remembered as cowards and not as heroes of the Faith.”Thomas More_Frick_1527

Many “Catholics” who go along with the pagan world, are considered “good” Catholics, while “those who are faithful to the Catholic faith or those who are promoting the glory of Christ in the liturgy, are labelled extremists”.

He also brought up the issue of the poor, which for the liberals seems to trump over morals or sacred liturgy.    We see this when so many Catholics voted for a president who is for murdering of the unborn babies.  They justified this because he is “supposedly” for the poor.  Bishop Schneider contradicts this idea: “This is erroneous. The first commandment which Christ gave us was to adore God alone. Liturgy is not a meeting of friends. It is our first task to adore and glorify God in the liturgy and also in our manner of life. From a true adoration and love of God grows love for the poor and our neighbour. It is a consequence.”

He ends by saying that the traditional Catholics “have kept the purity of their faith and they represent the true power of the Church in the eyes of God and not those who are in administration.”

He ends on a positive note: “I am not worried about the future. The Church is Christ’s Church and He is the real head of the Church, the Pope is only the vicar of Christ. The soul of the Church is the Holy Spirit and He is powerful.”  

Andrew_martyrdom_MURILLO_Bartolom_EstebanSo all of you traditional Catholic bishops, priests, religious and people reading this, you are the ones that Bishop Schneider has said will keep the Catholic faith pure and continuing.  After most of the other bishops, religious, priests, and other “Catholics” continuously put you down, know that God is listening and at least there is one bishop who acknowledges the precious value you have for God’s Catholic Church.  Thank you for your heroic virtues of standing strong while everything seems to be collapsing around us and no one in the Church seems to care.  God and Mary do.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; schneider; sectarianism; traditionalists; vcii
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1 posted on 08/31/2014 6:59:37 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: BlatherNaut; piusv; Legatus

Ping


2 posted on 08/31/2014 7:00:41 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
The present “anthropocentric” [man-centred] clerical system will collapse.

Ann Barnhardt has conjectured that merely turning the priests around so they face the front of the church rather than the congregation would fix many of the problems of the church because it would flush out all the "Look at me - I'm so cool" priests.

3 posted on 08/31/2014 7:26:59 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

I don’t doubt it.


4 posted on 08/31/2014 7:29:37 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

What an excellent bishop! Thanks for the ping.


5 posted on 08/31/2014 7:44:32 PM PDT by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: ebb tide

I wonder how we could have this big split in the Church when it seems no one bothers to attend except on Christmas an Easter.
I never thought of my self as an extremist


6 posted on 08/31/2014 7:48:16 PM PDT by reefdiver (The fool says there is no God. And the bigger fools sees direct evidence and rages against it.)
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To: ebb tide

http://www.barnhardt.biz/2014/01/31/the-one-about-jesus-religion-the-kennedys-and-d-10-caterpillars/


7 posted on 08/31/2014 7:48:24 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ebb tide
Bishop of what? Bishop of where? Does Schneider have Canonical faculties? Full name? Is "Bishop" Schneider in communion with the Holy See or is he another "do it yourself" "Catholic" and "do it yourself""pope?" Who consecrated Schneider as a bishop? Was it Williamson or who was it? The artwork is nice, including the very full congregation shot which likely has nothing whatever to do with Schneider.

In short, the priest should face the tabernacle and therefore his (and the congregation's) Lord and Savior. It is preferable that Mass be said in Latin. It seems absolutely correct that "Communion in the hand" is an outright abomination. That does not mean that sound beliefs on such matters makes one his own pope.

8 posted on 08/31/2014 9:56:51 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: BlackElk

Athanasius Schneider, O.R.C. (born Anton Schneider on 7 April 1961) is a Roman Catholic bishop who is the auxiliary bishop of Astana, Kazakhstan and titular bishop of Celerina. He is a member of the Canons Regular of the Holy Cross of Coimbra.
Anton Schneider was born in Tokmok, Kirghiz SSR in the Soviet Union. In 1973, shortly after making his first Holy Communion by the hand of Bl. Oleksa Zaryckyj, priest and martyr, he left with his family for Germany. When he joined the Canons Regular of the Holy Cross of Coimbra, a Catholic religious order, he was given the religious name Athanasius. He was ordained a priest on 25 March 1990. Starting in 1999, he taught Patristics at Mary, Mother of the Church Seminary in Karaganda. On 2 June 2006 he was consecrated Bishop at the Altar of the Chair of Saint Peter in the Vatican by Angelo Cardinal Sodano. In 2011 he was transferred to the position of auxiliary bishop in the Archdiocese of Astana.[1] Bishop Athanasius Schneider is the General Secretary of the Bishops’ Conference of Kazakhstan.[2]
Dominus est[edit]
Bishop Schneider is well known for his defense of the traditional form of receiving Holy Communion (kneeling, on the tongue) in Catholic liturgy.[3] This is the theme of his book Dominus est,[4] published in Italian, and since translated into English, German, Estonian, Lithuanian, Polish, Hungarian and Chinese. The book itself contains a foreword written by Malcolm Cardinal Ranjith, then the Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, the current Archbishop of Colombo and Metropolitan head of the church in Sri Lanka.
Bishop Schneider encourages Catholics who truly believe they are receiving Christ in the Blessed Sacrament should kneel and receive Communion on their tongues: “The awareness of the greatness of the eucharistic mystery is demonstrated in a special way by the manner in which the body of the Lord is distributed and received”.[5]
English liturgical scholar and commentator Alcuin Reid wrote a noteworthy review of Dominus est in The Catholic Herald: “Bishop Athanasius Schneider, a patristic scholar, appointed a bishop by Pope Benedict in 2006, has raised his voice in prophetic call for the western Church to recall the importance, if not the necessity, of returning to the previous discipline of the reception of Holy Communion kneeling and on the tongue.”[6]


9 posted on 08/31/2014 10:20:27 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldnÂ’t make any sense at all." -- Pres. Reagan)
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To: BlackElk

Bishop Schneider is not SSPX. He is a fully valid and licit auxiliary bishop in Kazakhstan. He conducted a pontifical mass at our fully legitimate, in communion with the Pope and local successor of the apostle, Summorum Pontificum, Tridentine Latin mass community. He is a decent man and prelate.


10 posted on 09/01/2014 2:49:46 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: ebb tide
The lack of clarity in the documents of Vatican II has led to this confusion.

Again, Bishop Athanasius Schneider must go beyond this idea. The VII documents weren't just "unclear". I do have hope that the Holy Spirit (with the intercession of his namesake) will lead him and give him the courage to go in that direction.

Let's face it. He's the only one in the post VII hierarchy who seems to even notice any problems.

Saint Athanasius, pray for us.

11 posted on 09/01/2014 5:06:22 AM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide
know that God is listening and at least there is one bishop who acknowledges the precious value you have for God’s Catholic Church.

One can only wonder what Francis has in store for *this* bishop.

12 posted on 09/01/2014 5:47:27 AM PDT by piusv
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To: All

Good grief, at a time when Christians in the Middle East are fleeing for their lives, we still have debates over the mass/divine liturgy?


13 posted on 09/01/2014 7:03:00 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl; ebb tide

Anyone who thinks this thread is merely about liturgy totally misses the boat.


14 posted on 09/01/2014 7:17:49 AM PDT by piusv
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The better answer would be to make the NO a lot more reverent and with that, with the newer priests that are graduating from the seminaries and are getting ordained would be the better way to go.

In other words, clean up the liturgical abuses and problem solved.


15 posted on 09/01/2014 7:23:59 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

It is more than “liturgical abuses”.

And are you now debating about the liturgy?


16 posted on 09/01/2014 7:26:57 AM PDT by piusv
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To: BlackElk

In short, you agree with all the Bishop says, but not his right to say it?


17 posted on 09/01/2014 7:48:41 AM PDT by Daffy
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To: Daffy; BlackElk

In short, once again an elk has put a hoof in it’s mouth.


18 posted on 09/01/2014 8:29:53 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: BlackElk

Good questions!


19 posted on 09/01/2014 8:38:29 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ebb tide

Thanks. Excellent and uplifting post.


20 posted on 09/01/2014 1:35:49 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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