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To: Heart-Rest; Iscool
Do you not accept that prayer can be directed to God (and be a form of worship), and prayer can also be directed to saints (and NOT be a form of worship), the belief which is actually held by most Christians in the world (Catholics, Orthodox, many Anglicans, many Lutherans, and many other Christians)?

No, I don't hold that belief. Iscool was correct when he/she stated that prayer offered to a supernatural being makes that entity a deity. (It doesn't matter how many people hold to a position - truth isn't determined by majority vote.)

David in Psalm 141:2 makes it clear that he saw his prayer as equivalent to sacrifice. I would assume that even RCs would agree that offering sacrifice to anyone other than God is false worship.

93 posted on 08/21/2014 4:16:09 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: CommerceComet; Iscool
" Iscool was correct when he/she stated that prayer offered to a supernatural being makes that entity a deity."

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Where is that claim found in the Bible -- is it in the third chapter of the book of CommerceComet, or the fifth chapter of the book of Iscool, or the eight chapter of the book of Islam, or, where?

By attempting to restrict the definition of "prayer" to only what you personally dictate it to be is an example of the logical fallacy of "overly broad or narrow definitions".

One actual definition of prayer is "a similar personal communication that does not involve adoration, addressed to beings venerated as being closely associated with a deity, such as angels or saints", which can be found here at "http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prayer".

(By the way, when you use the term "supernatural being", are you somehow referring to human beings who have died? When Jesus spoke with Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17:3), you wouldn't say He was somehow making them into "gods", would you?)

As the Bible plainly shows, there are many different forms of prayer (as clearly shown by Jesus and some of His recorded prayers, such as the "Our Father", His prayers in Gethsemane, His prayers on the Cross, etc.) Do not try to falsely limit prayer to one kind of prayer only -- that is simply wrong.

120 posted on 08/23/2014 10:35:00 AM PDT by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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