Posted on 08/19/2014 7:57:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
As such, praying seems more like having a conversation and there is nothing wrong with calling Home and having a conversation with the Holy Family, including Mom.
Sorry.
I grew up reading articles like that.
Human reasoning cross-bred with speculation on top of iconic icings.
None the less, for me the metaphor works for my understanding, such as it is.
It also helps me to understand how it's love and using my heart that make's the connection go through.
Plus, the metaphor helps me to conceptualize what having a constant conversation with, or being in continuous communication with, God that I hear others speak of might be like.
That's obviously because you don't know much scripture...And obviously again, you have no interest in knowing scripture since you claim Mary is the mother of God, which is unscriptural...
I don't understand all of the math and how things fully balance thanks to Jesus and His Mother Mary (Mother of God!), but my sense is they are the reason the cosmic math equation can/will balance.
God/Jesus/Holy Spirit always was...God became manifest in the flesh with the birth of Jesus...
As such, praying seems more like having a conversation and there is nothing wrong with calling Home and having a conversation with the Holy Family, including Mom.
Praying is worship...Just acknowledging there is a supernatural being that you are speaking to makes that person a deity...And that's worship...
I think the differing opinions and definitions and how we each view the same things somewhat differently are very interesting, especially about this subject.
And thanks for the laugh. "obviously you don't know much" "obviously again, you have no interest in knowing..."
Lol. I have to admit, as long as I'm not married to it, I can appreciate that kind of humor.
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Unless, of course, someone gives them a radio microphone in Yuma, Arizona, and gives me a radio at Hollywood and Vine (or gives the choir a cell phone, and gives me a cell phone), in which case I can hear them all just fine at that distance.
If modern human technology can do that for us humans, God certainly can do that as well (and much more, of course). The ridiculous limtations you are placing on God and what He can do for us humans are certainly not founded in Scripture, and without any doubt, those limitations you are trying to impose on God are completely false and wrong.
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So, you're saying you don't believe a person can be saved before they fall into the quicksand, as well as be saved from sinking in the quicksand after they have already fell into it?
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So, you think giving honor to Mary "diminishes or draws attention away from the accomplishments of Jesus Christ"?
If someone honors your mother, does that "diminish or draw attention away from the accomplishments of CommerceComet"?
In regards to my comment "Prayer to God is worship, prayer to fellow created beings like saints or guardian angels is not, and it does not take a great deal of discernment to be able to distinguish those two types of prayer.", you said "Actually, to accept your argument requires a total lack of discernment. How is this not a case of the logical fallacy of special pleading?" How in the world do you jump to that erroneous conclusion?
Do you not accept that prayer can be directed to God (and be a form of worship), and prayer can also be directed to saints (and NOT be a form of worship), the belief which is actually held by most Christians in the world (Catholics, Orthodox, many Anglicans, many Lutherans, and many other Christians)? (Do a quick Google search on "prayer to saints" if you don't believe me.)
It is the same with the verb "to talk". If you talk to God, that entails worship, while if you talk to another human being, that does NOT entail worship. They both involve talking, but they are two completely different forms of talking. That's just a plain, simple fact.
(By the sound of your post and your various logic references tossed around loosely in it, I'm guessing you are taking a Logic 101 course. Are you?)
They safeguarded it so well that for the first 1800 years they would burn you alive at the stake for owning a bible.
That's why people came to this hemisphere. To worship God. Not his baby mamma. Not his corporate machine, Anglican nor Roman.
Seek ye first????
Peace, Grace, and Mercy be with us always.
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Are you saying the only prayer we should be saying is "The Lord's Prayer" -- the "Our Father" that Jesus taught His disciples?
Lutherans? Don't think so.
Say any prayer you like, just direct it the way Christ did, to the One who can answer it, God.
No, I don't hold that belief. Iscool was correct when he/she stated that prayer offered to a supernatural being makes that entity a deity. (It doesn't matter how many people hold to a position - truth isn't determined by majority vote.)
David in Psalm 141:2 makes it clear that he saw his prayer as equivalent to sacrifice. I would assume that even RCs would agree that offering sacrifice to anyone other than God is false worship.
Not needed...I just remembered that one or more of their publications gave the year of the coming tribulation. That’s a big no-no. The year(s) has already passed.
I've heard since childhood and believe that God created each of us for a purpose within His Plan and that, heart and soul, we are created to be a place for Him and His spirit to dwell, to be, to live, to rest...not sure of the right words...and that is what our bodies being a temple means.
Unfortunately, not all keep their temple pure and clean such that God's Spirit is welcome. Some worse than others, but some better and some are even better still. Then there was Mary...
Your words are correct and emphasize the correct interpretation. She was created, we all are, but you're right, Mary was chosen. And I should have just kept my mouth shut until my understanding could catch up with it.
Thanks to you both for helping such a learner in the slow lane like me, with my apologies for my having swerved into the fast lane right in front of you.
With so many different interpretations, and each one is absolutely correct and all the others wrong, it's hard not to be confused.
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And there's another problem....
Oh ya, Jesus says we won’t know the day or time, maybe the season, but who knows how big that is. Just live each and every day for him, and he’ll take care of the rest.
(good advice, just need to follow my own heh).
Perfect description of virtually every prot church.
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