Posted on 08/19/2014 7:57:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
This coming August 22, the Feast of Mary, Queen of Heaven will be celebrated throughout the world. Deepertruth will focus this Tuesday on this most important topic.
The Marian teaching “Queen of Heaven” is steeped in Old Testament tradition.
There are those who misunderstand this teaching and will even claim it is Pagan. Nothing can be furthest from the truth.
Some will surely want to raise the scripture coming from Jeremiah 7:16-18, “You, now, do not intercede for this people; raise not in their behalf a pleading prayer! Do not urge me, for I will not listen to you. Do you not see what they are doing in the cites of Judah, in the streets of Jerusalem? The Children gather wood, their fathers light the fire, and the women knead dough to make cakes for the queen of heaven, while libations are poured out to strange gods in order to hurt me. Is it I whom they hurt, says the Lord; is it not rather themselves, to their own confusion?”
The queen of heaven that Jeremiah is speaking of is not the Blessed Virgin Mary who is the true Queen of Heaven, but rather a false god. The Israelites worshiped Pagan gods that displeased the Lord. The Babylonians worshiped a woman called “Ishtar“, she was the goddess of love and war. Prostitution was a part of the temple worship. She was known to have had many lovers.
Contrast this with the Blessed Virgin Mary who represents chastity, modesty, faithfulness, and love of God. She is the purest of God’s creation. Unlike Ishtar and other female goddesses who were worshiped and called “God the Mother“, the Blessed Virgin Mary is called Mother of God. Not because she is a goddess, she is not, but because Catholics recognize Jesus as Divine. He is truly God and man.
Is Mary the true Queen of Heaven, is there such a position within the kingdom of God? The answer is yes, and this Queen is the Blessed Virgin Mary.
The foundation for this is found in 1 Kings 2:12-20. “When Solomon was seated on the throne of his father David, with his sovereignty firmly established, Adonjah, son of Haggith, went to Bathsheba, the mother of Solomon. ‘Do you come as a friend?’ She asked. ‘Yes’, he answered, and added, ‘I have something to say to you,’ She replied, ‘Say it.’ So he said: ‘You know that the kingdom was mine, and all Israel expected me to be king. But the kingdom escaped me and became my brother’s, for the Lord gave it to him. But now there is one favor I would ask of you. Do not refuse me.’ And she said, ‘Speak on.’ He said, ‘Please ask King Solomon, who will not refuse you, to give me Abishag the Shunamite for my wife.’ ‘Very well,’ replied Bathsheba, I will speak to the king for you.’ Then Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, and the king stood up to meet her and paid her homage. Then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king’s mother, who sat at his right.”
Bathsheba thus became the first Queen of Israel, the Queen was not a wife of the king, but the King’s mother.
Jesus is truly the Son of David, The angel Gabriel spoke of Jesus saying, “Behold, you (Mary) will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” (Luke 1:3-33).
Jesus said, “Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will enter his house and dine with him, and he with me. I will give the victor the right to sit with me on my throne, as I myself first won the victory and sit with my Father on his throne” (Revelation 3:20).
We see a glimpse of this heavenly glory with the Messiah in heaven in Psalms 45. In verse 9-10 we see a very important scripture relating to the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of Jesus. It reads, “daughters of kings are among your ladies of honor; at your right hand stand the Queen in gold of Ophir”. Psalms 45:1-9 refers to Jesus and verses 9-17 concerns this queen. The same Queen St. John writes, “And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars” (Revelation 12:1).
Psalms 45 continues to say, “Hear, O daughter, consider, and incline your ear; forget your people and your father’s house; and the king will desire your beauty. Since he is your Lord, bow to him; the people of Tyre will sue your favor with gifts, the richest of the people with all kinds of wealth. The princess is decked in her chamber with gold-woven robes; in many colored robes she is led to the king, with her virgin companions, her escort, in her train. With joy and gladness they are led along as they enter the palace of the king. Instead of your fathers shall by your sons; you will make them princes in all the earth. I will cause your name to be celebrated in all generations; therefore the peoples will praise you forever and ever”(Psalms 45:9-17).
Notice that the “rich” seeks her favor, just like Adonjah had first sought Bathsheba’s intercession.
The Queen of Psalms 45 will be remembered and celebrated in all generations, and the people will praise her forever.
Is there any other woman in history that can fit this description? Hillary Clinton?
This praise will not be worship that is given to God alone, but it will be honor and petition.
Notice what Mother Mary says, “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my savior, for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name. And his mercy is on those who fear him from generation to generation. He has shown strength with his arm, he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts, he has put down the mighty from their thrones, and exalted those of low degree; he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent empty away. He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy, as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his posterity for ever” (Luke 1:46-55).
Psalms 45:9-17 and Luke 1:47-55 speak of the same person. The Virgin Mary, as the Queen of Heaven represents Jesus Christ in all that she does. There is no likeness to the pagan goddesses that were worshiped by the Babylonians and the cultures surrounding the nation of Israel in the Old Testament.
“Queen of Heaven”? LOL! Good one.
I realize I am wasting my breath, but you do realize that in eternity, that time and space have no meaning.
If the KJV was good enough for Paul and Jesus, it is good enough for you, right?
They let you out again, or did you escape??? But that's true...Most of the manuscripts from the Dead Sea Scrolls match the manuscripts used for the KJV...The KJV translaters used copies of the manuscripts that came from the areas around Jerusalem, NOT African manuscripts which are used for your preferred translations...
The KJV manuscripts are matches for those used by the Jewish people who wrote the Old Testament...I think I got a winner...
Who told you that???
It's about 3 months...
We became worthy the milli-second we accepted Jesus as our Savior...Your Mary must be following the Muzlim playbook...
I think this is a good test...The Catholic religion says to believe us (their Magisterium) because God told them the truth to pass out onto us...
A Baptist church will say, 'this is what we believe but don't take our word for it...Search the scriptures (like the scriptures tell you to do), the actual words of God that you know whether we are telling the truth'...
Quote-Perfect description of virtually every prot church
Of which all those protestant daughters were birthed from their mothers’s greco roman latin lies.
Inherited lies in Jeremiah 16:19 are certainly prophetic..
Mother and daughter-two peas in the same pod...no wonder their fights are so fruitful.
Best to divorce oneself from that whole greco roman latin family...
Fixed it for you.
It is called reading the Bible and interpreting it correctly, something that prots can't quite seem to understand.
Keep beating that expired equine, you may eventually get the dull and ignorant to agree with you.
Not sure what is considered a dead horse...
The greco roman latin world doesn’t win in the end..
No matter how much influence it has today in a counterfeit satanic world..
There really is a way to the Son without bending to the greco roman latin world’s counterfeits of both mother and daughter..
And Genuine beats the dead horse of counterfeits everyday....
Enjoy your Friya goddess day... I will enjoy His fourth day of the week.. not really sure what Friya did for the world but certainly scripture tells us our Heavenly Father created the sun, moon and stars on His fourth day..
I guess the greco roman latin mother and daughter influence on the dull and ignorant of the world really can not be understated..
Perhaps like a lot of people, I relate to the prodigal son. His path is/was/is my path and I tend to see his side of that story.
In a way, especially from having grown up in the buckle of the Bible belt South in multiple family situations, but none as a Catholic, I see the Protestant/Catholic divide as a similar sort of family struggle with the Protestants being the prodigal son.
People celebrate the prodigal son's return, but a big part of the story for me has always been why he left in the first place.
My experience/imagination has him saying "Well, if you had a sanctimonious, holier than thou, suck up older brother like I did, controlling everything and making your life a living hell, you'd have left too!" or something like that.
(Imagination is a wonderful thing, but dangerous in the wrong hands)
In other words, however bad his leaving is and however much it hurts Dad and the family, the split is not just the fault of one side, the protesting, "bad" boy who bailed. You know this by the attitude of the older brother when his prodigal brother finally comes back home.
There are real, legitimate reasons for the split, but the trouble is, family is stronger and complete together. Divided and separate, each brother is missing something, no matter how much of the whole they each might legitimately lay claim to.
With regard to our Christian family struggle, I am once again adopted into a family that's still trying to get back together. I'm new here and not taking sides.
Instead, I'm trying to figure out the bothers, get all the pieces to this family puzzle, see what fits together and then see what it looks like.
Fixed it for you.
You didn't fix anything...All your extra books and bibles came from a bunch of Egyptians from down there in Africa...You ought to read the bible to find out what God thinks about Egypt...
It is called reading the Bible and interpreting it correctly, something that prots can't quite seem to understand.
Let's have some chapters and verses, after you go and buy a bible...
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From this official Lutheran web site at "http://www.elca.org/en/Living- Lutheran/Blogs/2011/12/111216", read the following:
Luther supports praying with Mary and even to Mary, though this gets thumped out in the period of Lutheran Orthodoxy.Think again.
Luther and Philipp Melanchthon both believed the company of saints prayed for people on earth. In our communion liturgy we pray, "And so with Mary and Peter and all the witnesses of the Resurrection, with earth and sea and all their creatures, with angels and archangels, cherubim and seraphim we praise your name and join their unending hymn…"
We embrace the idea of praying with the saints and angels. We are part of the communion of saints.
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Jesus directed that prayer example specifically to the Father. Does that mean we shouldn't pray to Jesus, or to the Holy Spirit, or do you want to subtly redefine in your own words exactly what Jesus said there?
(By the way, do you ever ask other human beings to pray with you or for you? Can they answer your prayer directly, or can they rather help you by praying with and for you to God, who would always be the One who actually answers prayers. Can you discern that plain and simple distinction, which applies to humans both here and in the afterlife?)
Your first part is gone, orthodox Lutherans don't pray to Mary. Luther prayed to Mary when he was Catholic, not after. If you are going to ref a 'lutheran' source, don't go with anything with 'elca' in it. As Lutheran as Pelosi is Catholic.
We embrace the idea of praying with the saints and angels. We are part of the communion of saints.
Of course, the communion of saints prays for the church to God, not to each other. Lutherans don't pray to the dead, we pray to God. So you must think again, next time try and find a Lutheran source to quote. Do I go to Pelosi's or Biden's office to het authentic Catholic quotes? You shouldn't accept quotes from non-authentic Lutherans either.
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Where is that claim found in the Bible -- is it in the third chapter of the book of CommerceComet, or the fifth chapter of the book of Iscool, or the eight chapter of the book of Islam, or, where?
By attempting to restrict the definition of "prayer" to only what you personally dictate it to be is an example of the logical fallacy of "overly broad or narrow definitions".
One actual definition of prayer is "a similar personal communication that does not involve adoration, addressed to beings venerated as being closely associated with a deity, such as angels or saints", which can be found here at "http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prayer".
(By the way, when you use the term "supernatural being", are you somehow referring to human beings who have died? When Jesus spoke with Moses and Elijah (Matthew 17:3), you wouldn't say He was somehow making them into "gods", would you?)
As the Bible plainly shows, there are many different forms of prayer (as clearly shown by Jesus and some of His recorded prayers, such as the "Our Father", His prayers in Gethsemane, His prayers on the Cross, etc.) Do not try to falsely limit prayer to one kind of prayer only -- that is simply wrong.
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