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To: redleghunter

I don’t know how many times, I never counted. but certainly the two witnesses of Revelation 11 are the Church. you don’t need to find the word in the Bible for the concept to be true, unless you buy the JW argument against the Trinity.


73 posted on 08/21/2014 4:18:18 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; boatbums; metmom; CynicalBear; roamer_1; daniel1212; wmfights

Well it might not hurt to read the texts you seem to be asserting a particular doctrine to. After Revelation 3 churches and the church is not mentioned. We do have Israel mentioned quite a few times. Don’t you find that a bit curious?

Don’t know what you are getting at with the JWs. Their views have no bearing on this conversation. Who is arguing the Trinity? Or is that an attempt to change the subject?

The two witnesses are not identified as church.

Should we not examine the text you mention?

Revelation 11:3-14 NASB

And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

And if anyone wants to harm them, fire flows out of their mouth and devours their enemies; so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way. These have the power to shut up the sky, so that rain will not fall during the days of their prophesying; and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire.

When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

Those from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them. And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past; behold, the third woe is coming quickly.


91 posted on 08/21/2014 6:11:45 PM PDT by redleghunter (But let your word 'yes be 'yes,' and your 'no be 'no.' Anything more than this is from the evil one.)
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