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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; CynicalBear
any Scripture to support these assertions or do we just take your word for it. I would think if it was so “stunning” you would have given me six verses that say in 1948 God was going to give some people back their land. but as with most things dispensational, it’s an enigma, wrapped in a riddle....... “he said he would” WHERE???

HERE, for one:

Isaiah 66:7-9: Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children. Do I bring to the moment of birth and not give delivery?” says the Lord.

Isaiah prophecied that Israel would become a nation again and that it would happen in one day!
Bible passage: Isaiah 66:7-9
Prophet: Isaiah
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: 1948

In Isaiah 66:7-8, the prophet foreshadowed the re-birth of Israel, which happened "in one day." The woman giving birth before going into labor represent Israel. This accurately describes what happened on May 14, 1948 - when the Jews declared independence for Israel as a united and sovereign nation for the first time in 2,900 years.

During that same day, the United States issued a statement recognizing Israel's sovereignty. And, only hours beforehand, a United Nations mandate expired, ending British control of the land. During a 24-hour span of time, foreign control of the land of Israel had formally ceased, and Israel had declared its independence, and its independence was acknowledged by other nations. Modern Israel was literally was born in a single day.

Isaiah said the birth would take place before there would be labor pains. And that too is precisely what happened. A movement called Zionism began in the 1800s to encourage Jews worldwide to move to Israel, which at that time was called Palestine. Within hours of the declaration of independence in 1948, Israel was attacked by the surrounding countries of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

When reading Isaiah 66:7-8, keep in mind that Israel's status as a sovereign nation was established and reaffirmed during the course of a single day, and that it was born of a movement called Zionism, and that its declaration of independence was not the result of a war but rather the cause of one. (http://therefinersfire.org/israel_born_in_one_day.htm)

43 posted on 08/19/2014 9:42:15 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Thank you!


44 posted on 08/20/2014 7:11:19 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among yvou except Jesus Christ)
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To: boatbums; Iscool; wmfights; Lee N. Field; CynicalBear; af_vet_1981

first let me say Isaiah 66:7-9 does not sat Israel would be given land back or become a country.

second, I am disappointed that someone is linking to and apparently approving of a non-Christian web site that attacks historical, orthodox Christians. one example, they call the Trinity “pagan” and deny the deity of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. BUT, they do think Isaiah 66 says Israel will be given their land back. Great company to keep.

the problem still is no one will define Israel. the closest I can get ( but nobody will say it explicitly ) is that Israel is made up of physical Jews. so the OT promises where Jehovah makes certain “promises” to Israel, means these are promises to people with Hebrew DNA. do I have that right?

assuming I do, let’s look at another commonly used Scripture to prove God is not through with Israel and that’s Ezekiel 36:24-32. It’s too long for me to re-type ( long day at work ) , but I trust everyone reading this can read those verses quickly.
ok, v24 says I will take from the nations and give you your own land. Israel, right? 1948, right? well, think about it. does it says it will take “some” of Israel and give them their own land? NO! It says “you”, meaning ALL ISRAEL. well, did all Jews move to Israel in 1948? NO! my friend B. Rosenthal, lives in NJ. I can assure you he is as Jewish as Jewish gets, is he not part of Israel? Didn’t God keep his promise to B. Rosenthal?
next, v25 I will sprinkle clean water on you and clean you from all uncleannesses. WOW, when did that happen in 1948? this verse clearly is talking about baptism and the remission of sins. 99% of the people living in what is called Israel today deny Jesus Christ as the Son of God and have not had their sins forgiven.
one should start to get the sense we are not talking about physical land here, but spiritual land ( mansions? )
v26 he will give them a new heart and put his spirit in them. again, has this happened in Israel in 1948 or even today? NO! this is talking about regeneration, receiving the Holy Spirit. Hardly anyone in Israel has received the new birth. v28 “you shall be my people” who are God’s people today? according to 1 Peter 2:9, IT’S CHRISTIANS WHO ARE GOD’S PEOPLE. anyone who denies Jesus Christ was sent by the Father can not be called God’s people and Jesus said they would DIE IN THEIR SINS in John 8 ( and he was speaking to Jews )

so once you actually look at the Scriptures, the dispensational spin because absolutely silly and can’t hold up when you need to harmonize all the Scriptures together, not pick a verse here and there that mentions “land” and somehow think that means Israel.
there is a reason no one believed this folks before the 19th century.
it is amazing how the Scriptures warn over and over again about false teachers arising, even more so as Judgement Day approaches. but it doesn’t phase people in the least.

it’s called deception.

the dispensational fog won’t be lifted until one realizes that the Bible is a spiritual book all about one person, Jesus Christ and his mission to leave glory behind, become man, live a sinless perfect life, thus qualifying Himself to be the perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world and reconcile the elect to the Father in His Body by the power of the Holy Spirit. the Bible is not about who controls a plot of land in the Middle East. dispensationalists can’t tell types and shadows from the reality they portray.


45 posted on 08/20/2014 6:05:41 PM PDT by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: boatbums
Now you know that the clear and informative post you made will be ignored and the same question will be asked again as if no answer was given, don't you?

BTW, that was a beautiful explanation with corresponding Scripture. Thank you.

58 posted on 08/21/2014 10:04:14 AM PDT by wmfights
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To: boatbums
Isaiah 66:7-9: Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son.

I understand it that every reference in either testament of a woman, mother, queen, birth, labor, arc, and anything else that can be imagined is a reference to Mary, the mother of Jesus...Therefore, you must be wrong...

64 posted on 08/21/2014 12:21:47 PM PDT by Iscool
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