ok, you asked for a better argument than this article from Scripture. the article states “rome” denies any future kingdom on earth after the second advent.
you posted Scriptures that prove that “rome” is correct. Isaiah 65 states that a new heaven and new earth will be created and God will rejoice over Jerusalem. what is “Jerusalem”? it can’t be that piece of earth in the middle east, 2 Peter 3 says that will be destroyed. besides God doesn’t rejoice or take delight in a piece of dirt.
no, Revelation 21:2 tells us this city, this new Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, Israel or as it is more commonly known, the Church.
Matthew 24 makes it clear Jesus returns on judgement day, the last day. after “the day of the Lord” as 2 Peter calls the last day, the earth will be destroyed by fire. there CAN’T be any 1,000 year millennial kingdom since this earth will not exist.
the kingdom has been established as Paul states in Colossians 1:13-14.
if one doesn’t understand what “Israel” is in the Scriptures, everything goes off the rails from there.
that’s why I asked for some dispensationalist to define Israel, AND NO ONE HAS.
Why? Because they know once they do, this 19th century theory can be picked apart like shooting fish in a barrel.
one example, Jeremiah 32:38-40 states Israel shall be his people and He will make an everlasting covenant with them. v.41 says he will plant them in this land.
is this future or has it been fulfilled? Dispensationalists say its future, “rome” or more properly the historical Christian faith, says Jesus has fulfilled this prophecy.
what does the NT say? 1 Peter 1:9 and 1:10 both call the Church “ God’s people “. wait a minute, Jeremiah says once the new covenant is made, Israel will be God’s people. there can be only one conclusion, Israel is the Church.
next Jeremiah says God will make an everlasting covenant with Israel. 1 Corinthians 11:25 says “this cup is the NEW COVENANT in my blood”. wait a minute, Jeremiah says this new covenant will be made with Israel, God’s people. who celebrates the Lord’s table but the Church? Hebrews 13:20 says this covenant in Christ’s blood is ETERNAL. but wait a minute, Jeremiah says the new eternal covenant will be with Israel, God’s people. there can only be one conclusion, Israel is the Church.
finally, since I have shown the prophecies of Jeremiah have been fulfilled by Jesus Christ, so must Jeremiah 33:41, I will place them in this land. WHAT LAND? He has placed us in HIS KINGDOM, THE NEW JERUSALEM.
Your theories and arguments have been thoroughly debunked in the 8th session of this installment and now you apparently pretend that thread never took place...
Of course Peter says the heavens and earth will melt away because they will...After the 1000 reign of Jesus on Earth...
Revelation 21:2 tells us this city, this new Jerusalem is the bride of Christ, Israel or as it is more commonly known, the Church.
Misquoting scripture again to prove something that isn't true...You guys never learn...
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Jesus does NOT say that the New Jerusalem is a bride or church...Jesus says the New City is adorned AS a bride...Adorned 'like' a bride would be adorned...So that's not even a good try on your part...
that’s why I asked for some dispensationalist to define Israel, AND NO ONE HAS.
You have been thoroughly schooled on this topic in the previous thread...No need to repeat it...Go back and read that thread...
Boy, do you ever got that one right. I won't tear up your whole post, but mainly focus upon this:
one example, Jeremiah 32:38-40 states Israel shall be his people and He will make an everlasting covenant with them. v.41 says he will plant them in this land.
is this future or has it been fulfilled? Dispensationalists say its future, “rome” or more properly the historical Christian faith, says Jesus has fulfilled this prophecy.
Context, context, context. This passage alone contains almost everything needed to answer your questions.
It is not speaking only to Israel corporately, but specifically to the House of Israel AND the House of Judah. The everlasting covenant is made with BOTH nations... BOTH 'wives'. The 'church', as you define it, cannot be BOTH. In fact, it MUST BE what it says it is.
Secondly, it speaks to the physical LAND - Not Jerusalem alone, but rather to ALL of the land, ALL of the cities... Thus it cannot be speaking of New Jerusalem. Contracts, buying and selling... Read on in 33 and it becomes utterly unmistakable.
The covenant is made with the two Houses. The two nations. The gentiles are grafted into this covenant. Do not boast against the branches.
The physical land will be restored (and that has been happening since 1948). And 33 shows a physical prosperity.
The people, for whom YHWH has wished evil, will be blessed, and YHWH will wish them good, and will deliver on EVERY promise he has ever given them.
This CANNOT be describing the Roman church. The Roman church has no right to the land. No claim in the land.
Israel IS the House of Judah and the House of Israel, with the gentiles grafted in. No doubt that began at the cross, but it is not done yet. 1948 (to the very day) and 1967 (to the very day), and all that has happened since, put Rome and 'historical Christian faith' to shame. Y'all should have seen it coming, not to mention that y'all should see it happening right before your very eyes.
Jer 32:32 Because of all the evil of the children of Israel and of the children of Judah, which they have done to provoke me to anger, they, their kings, their princes, their priests, and their prophets, and the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
Jer 32:33 And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction.
Jer 32:34 But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it.
Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Jer 32:36 And now therefore thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, concerning this city, whereof ye say, It shall be delivered into the hand of the king of Babylon by the sword, and by the famine, and by the pestilence;
Jer 32:37 Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:
Jer 32:38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:
Jer 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
Jer 32:40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.
Jer 32:41 Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.
Jer 32:42 For thus saith the LORD; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them.
Jer 32:43 And fields shall be bought in this land, whereof ye say, It is desolate without man or beast; it is given into the hand of the Chaldeans.
Jer 32:44 Men shall buy fields for money, and subscribe evidences, and seal them, and take witnesses in the land of Benjamin, and in the places about Jerusalem, and in the cities of Judah, and in the cities of the mountains, and in the cities of the valley, and in the cities of the south: for I will cause their captivity to return, saith the LORD.
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