::Sigh:: The gospel is not "obvious" unless one already accepts it.
Israel was not given the "new testament" at Sinai. It was given The Torah. It was also told to never depart from it to the right or to the left and warned that any deviation from it would result in exile. The insistence that the Torah was "temporary" and "preparatory" does not come from the Torah but from the "new testament." Which means that one has to already accept the "new testament" to begin with in order to believe the claim! What is so hard to understand about this? The chrstian claim that Moses and the Biblical Israelites worshiped J*sus (chas vechalilah!) is no different than the moslem claim that Abraham practiced islam.
Good gravy. Do you people not see what you are doing?
Which Torah are you talking about, the ten commandments alone, the 613 commandments, the Talmud, the Zohar and associated Kabbalist writings? Some Rabbis say the “Torah” should be broadened to include these other things.
I think boogieman got it pegged, you guys will accept anything, even forbidden occultic philosophical beliefs, before you will the gospel.
Torah was fulfilled perfectly with Messiah Yahshua/Joshua.
He is the living oracles after all..we should expect perfect fulfillment as believers.
I apologize to Jews that their promised Messiah has been counterfeited into a greco roman latin savior the world knows today.
The Messiah was born on a new moon in the sixth month of His year, circumcised on the 8th day, according to Torah (8th day of month is a Sabbath per Ezekiel 46:1), dedicated at the temple after His mother’s purification.(40 days after His birth) that day is the 10th day of the 7th month in Torah-the Day of Atonement-Yom Kippur.
He was baptized on a New Moon day.(His 30th birthday) then scripture says he spent the next 40 days fasting (a scene like His mother’s 40 days of purification from His birth)
He was killed on a Feast, (passover-the 14th day of month) rested in the tomb on a Sabbath/Feast (15th day of month-unleavened bread), and was raised the third day- on another Feast (first fruits-16th day of month and first day of the work week)
All of those are found in scripture in New Testament, backed up with Torah. New Moons, Sabbaths and Feasts shown to Israel as shadows and rehearsals of the coming Messiah and Kingdom. The only one that is needed to know is the birth date and that was given to us in Revelation 12:2.
(But I am working on seeing it in the prophets or Torah-only place I am seeing it is in Haggai’s first verse currently but I am not versed in the Hebrew block logic that may have it in other places)
Like a puzzle piece that has things line up where Torah can be seen in the new testament. It helps to reject the world’s calendar first and accept His monthly calendar of new moon, six work days and sabbath.
He only has two appointed times to fulfill - Trumpets and Tabernacles..
And I never used the word Jesus once.. Jesus, we are told, was born on December 25 and he was killed on good friday and raised on easter Sunday. That certainly fits no new moon, sabbath or feast in Torah.
No scripture, old or new, matches the story the church tells and practices with its pope appointed holy days and sabbaths instead of what Torah has. There is no friday or sunday in scripture after all.
Maybe that is why Israel cant see any Torah in Christendom’s Word that became flesh and dwelt among us. We can’t. But the fulfillments can be seen and Jews can see fulfilled prophecies from prophets in the new testament. They did happen.
The Messiah did walk amongst us.. He lives forever more.. He is the Living Oracles and match perfectly His life with the written Oracles. Literally.
Honestly, I am less and less comfortable with the greco roman latin name, holy days and sabbath he has been assigned by the world.
Joshua is a fine English name that could have been placed 900 times in the new testaments of today ..Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8 in the new testament proves that with certain translations changing those ‘jesus’s ‘ to joshua.
And Joshua, in the english, is a name in Scripture Israel
would be familiar with.
I pray you can see it and believe in Him. Whatever name you call Him or what churches teach about Him- The Written Oracles became flesh and dwelt among us. Torah lives !
HalleluYah!
“::Sigh:: The gospel is not “obvious” unless one already accepts it.”
Certainly, it is obvious. There’s only one candidate for the Messiah in history that even comes close to fulfilling the prophecies, and that is Jesus. After Israel rejected him, their nation was destroyed and they were cast into exile to the four corners of the earth, as prophesied, while their former oppressors were brought under the feet of Christ, as prophesied. I suppose God could make it clearer for you, but would it do any good?
“Israel was not given the “new testament” at Sinai. It was given The Torah. It was also told to never depart from it to the right or to the left and warned that any deviation from it would result in exile. The insistence that the Torah was “temporary” and “preparatory” does not come from the Torah but from the “new testament.” Which means that one has to already accept the “new testament” to begin with in order to believe the claim!”
No, there is no claim that the Torah was temporary in the New Testament. On the contrary, the NT confirms that the law is eternal. However, certain aspects of the law are redundant once you are redeemed. You cannot, for example, become ritually impure, once you are purified by God Himself.
Now, the law does not pass away, but the covenant made at Sinai does pass away, as Jeremiah 31 attested to. It’s interesting that you acknowledge correctly that the consequence of disobedience to the Torah was exile. Israel suffered its greatest exile shortly after Jesus appeared. You might think that would induce some soul-searching on the part of the Jewish people, to figure out exactly what disobedience caused that exile, but as far as I can tell, they refuse to address that question, and God hasn’t sent any more prophets to answer it for them. Might be something worth thinking about.
More gematria / Hebrew math, every letter has a numerical value.
Take Bereshet (Genesis) Chapter 1:1 In the beginning ELoHIM created the heaven and the earth.
אֱלֹהִים EloHIM, Alef Lamed Hei Yud Mem which corresponds to 1, 30, 5, 10 and 40 (no final Mem here) drop the 0's put the numbers in a circle and you get...
3 1 4 1 5 Pi in the first sentence of the Torah!
I know of atbash and atbach (letter substitution ciphers) and now a galgal (wheel) cipher!
Ergo ELoHIM is infinite! Truly infinite!
As always, there's lots more...and the waters fine...