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To: ebb tide
Just how old are you, Moses?

An obvious lack of comprehension on your part, which is necessary in normal life and that of Biblical exchanges. Notice the use of the plural "we," which with 2,000 years being the scope, denotes identification with a historical body of people. I think you get the conveyance.

And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Luke 1:28 And she [Elizabeth] cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. Luke 1:42 Did Luther exclude the above from your bible?

What Luther may have done here is irrelevant, but by no means did he (he was more RC on this), but this "proof text" is simply no proof at all. Does your Bible say they prayed to her in Heaven? Do we formulate doctrines from silence or by extrapolating what we reason from physical relations on earth, without even one example or instruction? If this is such a common practice, and it is taught in Scripture, how could the Holy Spirit fail to provide even one example of praying to angels in Heaven in the OT or departed saints in the New?

And in instructing us how to pray, why would Jesus tell us to pray, "Our Mother who art in Heaven..."? And why would the Holy Spirit not be said to cry Mama, mother, since it says He cries, Abba, Father"? (Gal. 4:6) Or will you admit that this practice comes from nebulous oral "tradition," and stop trying to wrest Scripture to compel to support Rome?

25 posted on 07/29/2014 8:17:24 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; ebb tide; metmom; Springfield Reformer
WRT: Prayer to Mary

We know from Scripture that Jesus entrusted the care of His mother Mary to John - as he was the ONLY Apostle standing there underneath the cross - all of Jesus' brothers and sisters were also no-shows. Yet in NONE of John's epistles does he ever speak of Mary, what happened to her (she had probably already died when he wrote the last book), that believers must pray to her and entreat her intercession or that she is our spiritual mother. ALL that came about hundreds of years after the last of the Apostles died.

It would be wonderful if Catholics understood that we don't dishonor Mary by rejecting their dogmas. She IS blessed, respected and a great example to all Christians of the kind of faith that should be emulated. I know I certainly see her this way.

31 posted on 07/30/2014 12:26:43 AM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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