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To: editor-surveyor
I have no desire to diminish you, but your position WRT our bodies is in total conflict with the scriptures.

Only on your end.

Our bodies must change because this physical world is to be destroyed, and we need a body that can live in the realm of God. Paul made this abundantly clear in 1Cor 15, as did Yeshua in his very technical discussion with Nicodemus.

Which is not in contention.

Paul made it clear also that this change cannot be made until the last trump, when Yeshua shows up in the cloud with his angels to gather his elect. Obviously those that have pre-deceased us no longer have Earthly flesh and blood bodies anyway, so the need for the incorruptible body is to be understood.

Nor is this disputed.

None of this has anything to do with the indwelling of the comforter; it is simply a life issue for our future dwelling place.

The issue is that, as said and shown, being born from above is that of being born of the Spirit, and which is being born of God and into the kingdom. And this birth is necessary to see the kingdom of God, as without the the Spirit one does not belong to Christ, while the Spirit is the pledge of the resurrection and what is to come.

The Scriptures tell believers they already have been born of the Spirit/of God by the word of God and unto living hope, while the resurrection is not described as a birth, but a change.

Thanks be to God.

Its not complicated./p>

684 posted on 07/28/2014 8:51:04 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

>> “The issue is that, as said and shown, being born from above is that of being born of the Spirit” <<

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Yes!

But that does not happen until the last trump!

Nobody has yet been “born of the spirit.”

Only those that “endure to the end” will be “born of the spirit.” That is what Yeshua told us in Matthew 24, and it is also what all of the apostles writings tell us. If anyone were already “born of the spirit,” Matthew 7:23 would be a lie. The persons that Yeshua mentions in that chapter confessed his name, and worked in the gifts of the spirit, yet he said that “I never knew ye.”

“The faith of many shall wax cold...”
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687 posted on 07/28/2014 9:07:02 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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