Posted on 07/26/2014 4:41:46 AM PDT by michaelwlf3
I am coming up on my first year as an ordained minister in a continuing Anglican church, and I have noticed that participating on political forums (even when the topic is religious) I find that my opinions and postings more often than not generate more hatred than anything else. Among the things I often hear are that the laity are the real priests and that I am a Pharisee, that my vocation disqualifies me from offering an opinion on anything Christian because I am too narrow minded, and (my personal favorite) because I look too Catholic I must be a child molester.
Are these people really Christians?
So you don’t believe in the Trinity, either?
>> “You can “trust” him all you want to, but until you repent and turn from your wicked ways, there will be no reconciliation.” <<
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That is the message that they reject!
They want nothing to do with Yehova’s commandments, and wish to receive instantaneous, guaranteed salvation, without the obedience part. They even have the guile to redefine obedience as “Dead Works.” They even redefine Grace to be that bizarre offer.
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All through it. Are you a Jehovah’s Witness? They don’t believe in the Trinity, either.
I said it; you weren't listening.
You said, regarding “instantaneous eternal guaranteed salvation”, that here is no such guarantee to be found anywhere in the scriptures, no matter how severely one may misinterpret the words of any of the apostles.
I responded with scripture that strongly suggests you are wrong:
Notice that this is not a severe misrepresentation of the apostles; it's right there directly in John.
>> “So you don’t believe in the Trinity, either?” <<
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Can you show us just where in Yehova’s word we are asked to believe in a “Trinity?”
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I was on another site and someone said he had a Catholic friend who bragged about doing all kinds of bad things. The friend said it was ok because he could go to confession afterwards and that made it ll ok. Interesting.
That's the sin of presumption.
I think 1 John 4:20 is pretty dang clear: Those who say ‘I love God’ and hate their brothers or sisters, are liars; for those who do not love a brother or sister whom they have seen, cannot love God whom they have not seen.
Please feel free to posit your interpretation(s) thereof.
>> “I responded with scripture that strongly suggests you are wrong” <<
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No, you responded with scripture that describes what Yeshua offers, but does not discuss the processes by which we are to seek that offer.
Nowhere does Yeshua offer eternal life without confession, repentance, and faith unto obedience to the end.
“He who endures to the end, the same shall be saved”
That is what Yeshua has promised.
If you have any doubts on that, read John’s first epistle carefully.
“Whoever enters by me shall be saved” but entering by him means following his commandments for your entire life, without doubt, or wavering.
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You didn’t get it either. Some Protestants, some Protestant congregations, and perhaps a denomination or two do not seem to be “seeking God.” Their whole existence is based on being Not Catholic rather than on seeking God. I meet these people all the time here on the edge of the Bible belt.
That can be said of Catholics, Lutherans, etc too.
No, it's describes the process too, albeit in metaphorical terms.
Nowhere does Yeshua offer eternal life without confession, repentance, and faith unto obedience to the end.
Nowhere did I, or Jesus by way of John, say that it that it did.
“He who endures to the end, the same shall be saved”
That is what Yeshua has promised.
If you have any doubts on that, read John’s first epistle carefully.
“Whoever enters by me shall be saved” but entering by him means following his commandments for your entire life, without doubt, or wavering.
Really, no doubts?
I want you to back that up.
I also reject assuming equivalence of doubt and unbelief, show that clearly if you are going to use that argument.
Note Jesus's reply to Doubting Thomas:
(John 20:24-31)What of Naaman the Leper — who did not believe, but obeyed — should God have refused to honor His own promise because of that?
But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
Then saith He to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen Me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through His name.
So Naaman came with his horses and chariots, and halted at the entrance of Elisha’s house. Elisha sent a messenger to him, saying, “Go, wash in the Jordan seven times, and your flesh shall be restored and you shall be clean.” But Naaman became angry and went away, saying, “I thought that for me he would surely come out, and stand and call on the name of the Lord his God, and would wave his hand over the spot, and cure the leprosy! Are not Abana and Pharpar, the rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel? Could I not wash in them, and be clean?” He turned and went away in a rage. But his servants approached and said to him, “Father, if the prophet had commanded you to do something difficult, would you not have done it? How much more, when all he said to you was, ‘Wash, and be clean’?” So he went down and immersed himself seven times in the Jordan, according to the word of the man of God; his flesh was restored like the flesh of a young boy, and he was clean.Moreover, we should not forget Mark 9:24
And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.Or do you think that the reason Jesus healed the boy (in the next verse) is only because a crowd had gathered? Do you think that my high-priest is heartless?
(Hebrews 4:15)
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
I thought there were only a few religions which do not believe in the Trinity. ——Mormons, Christian Scientists and Jehovah Witnesses plus Muslims. I have been taught that all my life. Are there others?
What I get is that God promises that He will be found by those who seek Him with their whole heart.
As I see it the hearts and wills of others cannot invalidate this; do you disagree?
Here we go....
7th Day Adventists also don’t believe in the Trinity... I think, it’s kind of hard to keep track.
Thanks.
I don’t know any Catholics who define themselves as being non Catholic and I have never heard a homily with the subject being the evil of Protestants. Catholics just don’t focus on non Catholics. Many Protestants focus on Catholics to the point that if the Church were to disappear they would be at a total loss of what to preach. My wife is a wandering Protestant and has been a congregant of Presbyterian and several “non-denominational” churches. I go with her from time to time. She won’t stay with one that is anti Catholic to the exclusion of just about anything else and has left two for that reason.
Wickedness forgiven by the blood of Christ.
ex-communicated Catholics who shared a common, ancient, hatred of the Jews you can source to the serpent in Genesis or dragon in Revelation. They led millions who invoked, and millions more who still invoke, their names in solidarity with their AntiSemitism.
And the non excommunicated Catholic leaders and Popes who engaged in the same sin, did they lead any to solidarity in anti-Semitism, or is your indignation solely for the excommunicated? The popes referenced, did they inspire others or were they just an anomaly when they drove Jews from their homes, imposed taxes similar to the Muslim jizya, in their persecution of Jews? How about today "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims;" the muslims over the Jews? Seems anti Jewish.
Do Muslims worship the same God?.
Just a blog, but a favorite son of the Catholics. Catechism puts Muslims in front of Jews and other Christians (not that the Christians care what the Catholic catechism says)but dogging on the Jews seems a little oh I don't know; anti Jewish. After all, the Jewish Catholics had written the OT seems discriminatory to put them behind the Muslims.
You never did give me an answer to the question 'when will the Catholic church be shed of it?' (anti-semitism)
You do realize that paragraph 841 is AFTER the paragraphs dealing with other Christians and Jews... don't you?
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