Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

[michaelwlf3]

I am coming up on my first year as an ordained minister in a continuing Anglican church, and I have noticed that participating on political forums (even when the topic is religious) I find that my opinions and postings more often than not generate more hatred than anything else. Among the things I often hear are that the laity are the real priests and that I am a Pharisee, that my vocation disqualifies me from offering an opinion on anything Christian because I am too narrow minded, and (my personal favorite) because I look too Catholic I must be a child molester.

Are these people really Christians?

[verga]

I noticed that it took the "christians" here less than 30 posts to turn it anti-Catholic, and less than 100 to turn it into full blown tidal wave of anti-Catholicism, which is pretty funny since you are not Catholic.

You will knows them by their fruits and in this case by how nuts they are.

I wish you only the very best.

[Karl Spooner]

All of the thought patterns of the NT are solidly Hebrew, and essentially untranslatable into Greek, which is the basis for the imaginary “Koine” dialect that the Greeks have long been telling us couldn’t have existed.

Whether in Greek or Hebrew, THEY sure did get rid of the evidence of the originals in a highly effective manner. Supposedly, there was an original fragment of Mark found written in Greek, but I can't find that it was confirmed yet.

[HarleyD]

But it worked out for the Body of Christ.

I guess it all depends on the meaning of "Body of Christ". :O)

[xone]

In Confessional Lutheranism, both meanings work out.

[boatbums]

Yes, I would agree with you.

[Karl Spooner]

Interesting that agape is in every case given the definition of love. Only in the King James is charity used. Wonder why the King would have wanted charity to be inserted?

I don't mean to confrontational, but one of the reasons maybe that they didn't know the old languages as well as they do today. In the original King James there was an opening letter basically saying that they didn't know it all and we did our best. From what I have read it wasn't until the late 1800's that they made great strides in figuring out the old Hebrew and the old Greek. We benefit directly from that with Dr. Strong's and Dr. Bullinger's works.

[Karl Spooner]

I’m thinking she would agree with me that reading scripture spiritually with help from the Holy Spirit gives better understanding then does the carnal “mental processes of perception, memory, judgment, and reasoning” aka cognitively. That’s the problem with Rood and his followers. They totally lack the help of the Holy Spirit.

It is a Supernatural Book far beyond what any human could write.

[CynicalBear]

I perceived no confrontation. I didn’t know why only the King James uses charity. As far as additional information and the help of Strong’s etc I agree. I also believe that is by God’s design knowing we would need additional support and information in these last days.

[HarleyD]

It's interesting how when Dr. Luther was a Catholic theologian they didn't harbor such ill will. It was only when he left the Church the seeds of bitterness sprung open. As far as Luther's stance on Jews, I would call your attention to Church And The Jews In The Middle Ages, The by Catholic Culture. This was a common view held by many Catholics, not just Luther. Catholic Culture makes the same point that I often have argued here:

It is a fallacy (one that historians call presentism) to judge the past by the standards of the present.

We can't judge people's behavior through the lens of our today's standards. Certainly they had their faults. But, quite frankly, we probably have far many more then they had.

[Karl Spooner]

I also believe that is by God’s design knowing we would need additional support and information in these last days.

Exactly right. God will dribble more of the truth out there while watching those that keep rejecting it. How sad is that?

[ealgeone]

I noticed that it took the "christians" here less than 30 posts to turn it anti-Catholic,....

I always find it interesting that very rarely have I ever heard a catholic identify themselves as a Christian.

[Karl Spooner]

I always find it interesting that very rarely have I ever heard a catholic identify themselves as a Christian.

Didn't they used to kill Christians?

[ealgeone]

This is corroborated by the passages regarding Jesus giving Peter the keys of the Kingdom, and Jesus giving Peter and the Apostles the power to "bind and loose," and Paul's description of the church as "the pillar and foundation of truth."

What were the "keys to the kingdom"?

How does one "bind and loose"?

What is the "pillar and foundation of truth" built upon?

Hint: all three have a core answer

[michaelwlf3]

God help us...

[Karl Spooner]

God help us...

Amem

[metmom]

And it took ZERO posts to be anti-Protestant, since the thread itself is a hit piece on Protestants.

Not even a nice try. It failed from the get go.

[daniel1212]

WE are not presently equipped for existence in the Kingdom; corruptible flesh cannot enter therein;

That is true but which is not at all contrary to our position on Jn. 3:3, as this does not say one who is born from above as a child of God, in which God sends the Spirit of His Son into the believer crying "Abba, Father," (Gal. 4:6) and is a "new creation," (2Cor. 5:17) means that such no longer has a body of flesh and blood, and is in the literal manifestation of the kingdom of God, though he is now spiritually in that kingdom. (Col. 1:13)

Therefore they do not wage the war of faith after the flesh. (Jn. 18:36; 2Cor. 10:3,4; Eph. 6:13)

But it teaches that one must be born of the word of truth of the gospel, (Ja. 1:18) in order to see that literal manifestation, and the indwelling Spirit is a pledge of that. ( Eph. 1:13; 1 Peter 1:3)

To God be the glory.

[editor-surveyor]

I have no desire to diminish you, but your position WRT our bodies is in total conflict with the scriptures.

Our bodies must change because this physical world is to be destroyed, and we need a body that can live in the realm of God. Paul made this abundantly clear in 1Cor 15, as did Yeshua in his very technical discussion with Nicodemus.

Paul made it clear also that this change cannot be made until the last trump, when Yeshua shows up in the cloud with his angels to gather his elect. Obviously those that have pre-deceased us no longer have Earthly flesh and blood bodies anyway, so the need for the incorruptible body is to be understood.

None of this has anything to do with the indwelling of the comforter; it is simply a life issue for our future dwelling place.