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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Paul was a bishop.

Paul was not a bishop...None of the apostles were bishops...

Jesus is the eternal High Priest. The pope holds the office of the prime minister of the eternal House of David

There is no prime minister of the house of David...

( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7, i.e., the Church), with the power to "bind and loose," given by Jesus himself. It is fitting for the Church to make celibacy a priestly discipline.

This is all fantasy...There's no scripture for that...In what year was this fantasy first penned by Catholics and turned into tradition???

132 posted on 07/13/2014 4:07:59 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool; St_Thomas_Aquinas
"Paul was not a bishop...None of the apostles were bishops..."

Bishop = episcopos = overseer: that's exactly what he was and what he did: he oersaw the churches; he supervised. He ordained Timothy (see 1 Timothy 4:14: "Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with imposition of hands of the priesthood.") and Titus by the laying on of hands to serve as his auxiliaries and follow as his successors. He exactly fits the bill.

You can also see this succession in the life of St. John the Evangelist, whose historic successors were St. Polycarp, Bishop of Smyrna, and St. Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons.

This is well attested historically. And it's immensely interesting: I'm just getting into Irenaeus an Polycarp now: oh, what great Men of God.

150 posted on 07/13/2014 4:28:56 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." - 1 Timothy 3:15)
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To: Iscool
There is no prime minister of the house of David...

( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7, i.e., the Church), with the power to "bind and loose," given by Jesus himself. It is fitting for the Church to make celibacy a priestly discipline.

This is all fantasy...There's no scripture for that...In what year was this fantasy first penned by Catholics and turned into tradition???

Don't Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7 count as Scripture?

Isaiah 22 refers to the transition in office of the vice-regent, or prime minister, of the Kingdom of David, who held plenary authority in the king's absence. This earthly authority was represented by an over-sized key which the prime-minister wore around his neck.

Isaiah 22

19 I will thrust you from your office and pull you down from your station.

20 On that day I will summon my servant Eliakim, son of Hilkiah;

21 I will clothe him with your robe, gird him with your sash, confer on him your authority.

He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 I will place the key of the House of David on his shoulder;
what he opens, no one will shut, what he shuts, no one will open.

23 I will fix him as a peg in a firm place, a seat of honor for his ancestral house;

In Rev. 3:7, we see that Jesus is the King of the eternal House of David, and holds the key of the eternal Davidic kingdom, the office which Jesus gives to Peter, as recorded in Matthew.

Revelation 3:7

“The holy one, the true, who holds the key of David,

who opens and no one shall close, who closes and no one shall open,

Matthew 16:19

I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”


164 posted on 07/13/2014 4:43:33 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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